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Has anyone seen the Brutalist? Contains spoilers [Title edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

168 replies

NetZeroZealot · 25/01/2025 22:59

I think it’s the sort of film I’d enjoy but at over 3 hours long I need someone whose seen it to recommend it!
and I’m not sure it’s DH’s cup of tea!

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ThatMerryReader · 01/02/2025 17:59

@SirQuintusAurelius

Thank you Sir. Can you imagine getting a pile on if you said for example that you don't like movies about pirates?

For some reason, it looks like we are all supposed to relish holocaust movies, as if there’s no room for personal taste. Dare to defy, and you become a heartless monster.

Well, I don't like these movies them and I don't care what names I get thrown. It is dragged out rehashed theme overdone to death.

TheaBrandt · 01/02/2025 18:39

It’s not really a holocaust movie anyway. It’s mentioned but the film is about after the war in America.

TheaBrandt · 01/02/2025 18:40

I don’t watch holocaust films as I can’t bear it. Lasted 10 mins of zone of interest

SocksAndTheCity · 01/02/2025 18:42

I don't think it's that @ThatMerryReader , more that if a particular topic in film, art or literature is of no interest to you, then most people would have no interest in a thread about it either and move onto something else.

When the subject is the genocide of millions in Europe less than one hundred years ago, how would you think that's comparable to 'films about pirates'? If you don't want to see The Brutalist than don't - nobody cares - but show a bit of sensitivity and respect, for fucks sake.

AzurePanda · 01/02/2025 20:41

@ThatMerryReader to airily dismiss a film about the Holocaust as “so hackneyed” and comparing it to not liking a film about Pirates is obscene.

Maggiethecat · 01/02/2025 22:47

It is dragged out rehashed theme overdone to death.

You don’t have to care for these films but your choice of words appears deliberately insensitive.

SirQuintusAurelius · 02/02/2025 17:29

I've seen it since I first posted on this thread.

I really enjoyed it - maybe 'enjoy' is the wrong word, but I'm glad I went to see it and would recommend it. I would say 100% go to see it if you like films in the sense of being interested in film as an art form and are the sort of person who enjoys less mainstream 'art house' sort of films.

My very topline review would be:

this is a very engaging and interesting and thought provoking film. Personally, I could have done without the interval and there was no stage in it when I was looking at my watch and wondering how long to go. No watch checking to me is the sign of a good film.

It's quite slow paced but in a carry you along with it way.

It's beautifully shot and has a lot of really striking imagery that shot by shot as a viewer you can appreciate just as a work of art. I think maybe that's part of the reason it didn't feel long - because as an audience member you don't begrudge the time because it is very striking to look at. It really deserves an Oscar for art direction/production design.

For @ThatMerryReader this is not a holocaust film in anyway. The main character and his wife are Jewish and have survived the holocaust but it doesn't appear in the film at all - there are no scenes set in death camps. It is mentioned in dialogue and there is imagery that draws parallels like USA industrial trains for example but it isn't a holocaust film so don't be detered if you feared it was that subject matter because it isn't. It's more about building a new life and America - and patronage and architecture.

There are a couple of (to my mind) gratuitious male/female sex scenes with some nudity that didn't really add anything substantive and personally I would have cut or made shorter.

It would be a very interesting film for anyone who is or is descended from immigrants who left their birth country and made a life in another country.

The ending was very thought provoking and I think it is one of those films that gets in your mind philosophically - and makes you think about it months afterwards.

All of the lead actors are brilliant - especially Adrian Brody (and I say that as someone who is not a fan of his at all, I find him a bit annoying in other stuff I've seen but he was brilliant in this ) as were Guy Pearce and Felicity Jones.

It's not for you if you are more a big blockbuster/want to be entertained and not have to think (easy watching) fan because it is one to engage with mentally.

@NetZeroZealot I wouldn't say it was 'dark and depressing' which I tend to associate with films that make you cry. It isn't a comedy by any stretch and it had a few emotional moments where I could have welled up a bit - but I didn't leave it feeling down or in tears and didn't actually cry. It's more just a story about a few peoples lives that touches on some sad things that happen to many people but has some positivity. Overall it invites you to think about the themes with in it.

If anyone has seen it [SPOILERS/Comment on film content] I'd be interested to know your thoughts on....

what was the point of the bit where he lost his friend in the club and was insisting that he must be still inside because he wouldn't have left him and he got chucked out? [I didn't get this at all - was it to show his drug use? or to show his friend would in fact leave him?]

what was the significance of the song played over the credits with the lyrics One for you one for me? It's a very up beat Italian pop song I wondered if it meant that everything comes with a price - if you take one, I will take one. I read this about it but didn't think it was very insightful.

www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/the-brutalist-end-credits-song-explained

westisbest1982 · 02/02/2025 17:31

It was visually stunning with some amazing perf, but it was also largely dramatically inert and not engaging. What a shame it’s likely going to win several Oscars.

SirQuintusAurelius · 02/02/2025 17:40

but it was also largely dramatically inert and not engaging.

I don't really agree with this. It was slow paced but I think that is wrong to call it dramatically inert there were some fairly major plot threads woven throughout it that I found engaging

{sort of spoilers but I've tried to write it so it isn't too obvious}
like what was going to happen with his family; what was going to happen after the incident with the train; what was going to happen after the incident with Van Buren; what was going to happen after the scene at the house - just a few of really engaging aspects to it.

I agree it wasn't a bam-bam-bam action blockbuster but it's more about the themes it makes you think about.

SirQuintusAurelius · 02/02/2025 17:43

Also I went to an early showing - morning - which I would recommend as it is long so if it turns out it's not your cup of tea, you aren't faffing about at 11pm at night.

FrutenGlee · 03/02/2025 11:38

I’m not going to apologise for finding it hateful when dismissive and diminishing words are being aggressively used against anyone using the theme of the holocaust. Just after Holocaust Memorial Day. In a year when it’s widely acknowledged that there are a dwindling number of survivors who can tell their own stories so we must keep awareness alive any way we can for future generations.

The holocaust. Where millions of Jewish, disabled, communist, gay or just politically critical people and many others were brutally oppressed tortured and murdered. Can’t believe I even have to write this.

This isn’t even a holocaust film anyway, it’s a film focused on Jewish lives in the years afterwards. Why in that case was the opportunity taken here to be so deliberately offensive about the holocaust then?

I think it’s very sad that Mumsnet has let this stand. I reported it under the most relevant category Mumsnet provides, which is hate speech.

I also reported it, when after I posted on this thread, saying that I’d reported the original post I found hateful, that the same poster posted a ‘laugh’ emoji as their reaction to my post.

heldinadream · 03/02/2025 11:57

@FrutenGlee I thoroughly and wholeheartedly agree with you. To not want to see a holocaust film is one thing. To post as if the subject of the holocaust is just a bore, is quite another. It's despicable.

westisbest1982 · 03/02/2025 12:34

Art is always subjective.

We’ll see if any posts get deleted. It would be ridiculous if any were.

category12 · 03/02/2025 13:14

I watched this weekend. I was surprised that the length didn't bother me, I was hooked throughout.

I do resent the sexual violence in it though. I feel it was unnecessary. If it had been a biopic then maybe it would've been justified in inclusion, but I think it was a bit of a lazy shorthand.

category12 · 03/02/2025 13:23

For some reason, it looks like we are all supposed to relish holocaust movies, as if there’s no room for personal taste.

Weird take. You're not supposed to relish the subject matter, but it's a significant period of history, and what happened then informs what's happening now in the middle east. It's fine if you don't want to engage with the topic, of course, but there's still relevance, resonance and plenty to say on it.

Lentilweaver · 03/02/2025 13:28

I watched it yesterday too..Didn't find it too long and it's not really.a Holocaust movie. Loved the architecture, the acting, the music and cinematography. Thought the sexual violence was over the top and unnecessary, and the movie was all over the place in terms of a PoV. Brady Corbet needed to try to figure out what he was actuallly trying to say. Too many themes thrown in.

Still worth seeing.

Bodenne · 03/02/2025 13:39

I agree, it’s not Holocaust movie, and the sexual violence was pivotal

Maggiethecat · 03/02/2025 14:45

FrutenGlee · 03/02/2025 11:38

I’m not going to apologise for finding it hateful when dismissive and diminishing words are being aggressively used against anyone using the theme of the holocaust. Just after Holocaust Memorial Day. In a year when it’s widely acknowledged that there are a dwindling number of survivors who can tell their own stories so we must keep awareness alive any way we can for future generations.

The holocaust. Where millions of Jewish, disabled, communist, gay or just politically critical people and many others were brutally oppressed tortured and murdered. Can’t believe I even have to write this.

This isn’t even a holocaust film anyway, it’s a film focused on Jewish lives in the years afterwards. Why in that case was the opportunity taken here to be so deliberately offensive about the holocaust then?

I think it’s very sad that Mumsnet has let this stand. I reported it under the most relevant category Mumsnet provides, which is hate speech.

I also reported it, when after I posted on this thread, saying that I’d reported the original post I found hateful, that the same poster posted a ‘laugh’ emoji as their reaction to my post.

That poster intends to offend, it has nothing to do with art being subjective and one being able to express artistic preferences as another poster has suggested.

It’s so depressing. My eyes are being opened to the veiled anti semitism that Jewish people endure, including here on MN.

Piggywaspushed · 03/02/2025 16:11

Done to death is perhaps the most crass and thoughtless choice of a metaphor I have seen in along time.

westisbest1982 · 03/02/2025 16:14

Maggiethecat · 03/02/2025 14:45

That poster intends to offend, it has nothing to do with art being subjective and one being able to express artistic preferences as another poster has suggested.

It’s so depressing. My eyes are being opened to the veiled anti semitism that Jewish people endure, including here on MN.

So why hasn’t the comment been deleted, then? MN are very quick to remove hate speech.

category12 · 03/02/2025 16:32

westisbest1982 · 03/02/2025 16:14

So why hasn’t the comment been deleted, then? MN are very quick to remove hate speech.

Hate to break it to you, but Mumsnet HQ aren't always quick and they aren't always right. 😂

westisbest1982 · 03/02/2025 16:36

category12 · 03/02/2025 16:32

Hate to break it to you, but Mumsnet HQ aren't always quick and they aren't always right. 😂

I’ve been here 12 years and I don’t agree with you. They will have looked at the reported comment and, rightly, judged that it wasn’t hate speech. What business wants hate speech on their website?

Anyway, we’ve derailed the thread enough now, so maybe we can leave it there.

SirQuintusAurelius · 03/02/2025 18:16

Is anyone on this thread actually interested in discussing the film????

If anyone has seen it [SPOILERS/Comment on film content] I'd be interested to know your thoughts on....

what was the point of the bit where he lost his friend in the club and was insisting that he must be still inside because he wouldn't have left him and he got chucked out? [I didn't get this at all - was it to show his drug use? or to show his friend would in fact leave him?]

what was the significance of the song played over the credits with the lyrics One for you one for me? It's a very up beat Italian pop song I wondered if it meant that everything comes with a price - if you take one, I will take one. I read this about it but didn't think it was very insightful.
www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/the-brutalist-end-credits-song-explained

The key to The Brutalist is the song that plays over its end credits

“One for You, One for Me”, a cheesy Italo-disco hit, reveals the film’s ironic edge

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/the-brutalist-end-credits-song-explained

category12 · 03/02/2025 18:41

I think the significance was basically 'no-one wants you here' as a theme.

I think the friend was still in there, but the bouncer wouldn't let him back in to find him, not only because of him being drunk/high, but because of who he was.

I don't think the friend left him, he probably was unaware.

SirQuintusAurelius · 03/02/2025 21:10

@category12 thanks . re the throwing out, it looked very much like he was the last one and the guy was locking up - hence the vigorous throwing him out - so I assumed that he was mistaken in thinking the friend was still in there