Sound of Freedom - Guardian linking anti Child Trafficking to Right Wing

[CuriouslyDifferent]

I have a distasteful view of the Guardian. However, this is a new low.

I’ve attached the article but I can’t believe somehow the Guardian is linking the success of an anti Child Trafficking film, to the right wing.

Like that’s a bad thing?

https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/06/sound-of-freedom-movie-qanon-jim-caviezel

Every side should be anti trafficking, never mind child trafficking…. But the Guardian doesn’t want you to see this film.

As always, I ask the question Why?

From what I’ve heard, the film is a hard watch, but why minimise it in this manner. why link it to Qanon (who suggest there’s some powerfull people involved in peado rings). Why talk about it being a right wing issue.

I’m not a fan of Minor attracted People or whatever term theyvare using to normalise child abuse. Maybe that’s a problem for the guardian. I believe we should have the death sentence for child abusers. If that makes me right wing. sign me up.

Type the words “sound of freedom” into Twitter (decent people who wish to live good, happy lives should under no circumstances actually do this)

I don't understand why decent people wouldn't type the title of a film into a search bar.
Manipulative bullshit, "Stand with us be the good people. You don't want to be far right those people are bad we can't say why they just are."

Right and left means nothing anymore and like your example with the MAP thing, they are so far left they are cheering on peodophiles, when you're that far left everyone in the centre is far right OF YOU.

It's just another on of those transparent tactics "The people who think these things are conspiracy theorists because they also think XYZ unrelated thing."

Actually people do conspire, that's human nature so I'll listen to anything with an open mind, but only repeat the things that there is evidence of.
I guess I'm right wing too but we're in good company over here so I'm okay with that.

Do you know if I can see that film in the UK anywhere?

But they are linked. It's not that only the right wing are anti child trafficking that would be bonkers. But there's a massive connection with the right wing qanon gang and the moral panic over child trafficking. The view of trafficking as if it's a conspiracy theory rather than one of the many social problems we need to address is a very right wing approach to it.

The guardian didn't invent this connection and aren't the first to say there is a link. You're blaming the wrong people here. However you may feel about the guardian you look foolish trying to reach for ways to disagree with them over this.

The film is about child trafficking, not linked to celebrity.
I think there probably should be a moral panic over child trafficking it's not just another social problem.

I’m quite happy to believe that there are important wealthy elites, involved in criminal activity. If that make me look stupid to you, so be it. It makes me think you naive if you think there aren’t.

When the Guardian takes an issue such as child trafficking, and makes it political, or emphasises a political leaning around it. I find it disgusting. Mind you the left throw around the term Nazi like confetti, which I find equally distasteful.

Child trafficking is surely the one thing that anyone from any political leaning, should find abhorrent, should be anti, should find evil, but to then put a narrative around it, is nothing less than sick.

Uk release date yet to be announced.

You have not understood what I said. But you seem so on one in your views I'm not sure if that is deliberate or you're past the point of being able to engage. Either way I can't be bothered.

There is no link to Qanon, Tim Ballard has made that clear time and time again. Millions of children being sold and raped is not a political issue. If this isn't the most important issue of our time, what is?
Selling children, raping children, physical abuse and neglect , baby farms, organ harvesting. This is all happening right now. And there will be people we have known and met who are downloading this material and feeding this industry.

Even working out is a far right issue now.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/pandemic-fitness-trends-have-gone-extreme-literally-n1292463

The view of trafficking as if it's a conspiracy theory rather than one of the many social problems we need to address is a very right wing approach to it.

I have to say I'm very confused by your posts because this is literally the opposite of what is happening. It is the supposed "left wing, " like the Guardian, that is creating the narrative that people concerned about trafficking are being suckered by conspiracy theories. It's honestly weird as fuck to me because it's just a horrible fact that children and women are trafficked for sex. (Men can also be trafficked but more so for labour than sex.)

The left have really picked the wrong hill to die on here. Out of several terrible parts to this particular film review, I couldn’t help but notice the part where the writer relies on the absence of QAnon talking points to prove its affiliation to QAnon, by saying it is following the “first rule” of Qanon… He then goes on to lampoon the unfalsifiable prattle of conspiracy theorists, without apparently seeing the irony that he has committed the same fallacy. He even suggests that identifying the USA as the prime consumer of this material is a veiled dig at the Clintons. Bizarre. Ugly. When you are so polarised that you will oppose your “enemy” even when he is speaking the truth, it is time to reevaluate your approach to life. I will definitely be watching this movie.

It’s because this fixation - no, obsession and moral panic over paedophillia and the vastly inflated incidence of it is very much rooted in the right wing QAnon fantasy that it’s those on the left who are behind it.

No one, I repeat NO ONE is ok with child trafficking, but what’s truly disgusting is how conspiracy theorists have politicised it through this sick fantasy AND actually managed to make the job of keeping actual real children safe demonstrably HARDER by continuing to push this rubbish.

The film was scripted in 2015. The QAnon phenomenon originated in late 2017. The film is thus nothing whatsoever to do with QAnon. Neither the film, nor watching the film, is remotely tainted with any kind of conspiracy theory. The Guardian is disgusting for attempting to perpetrate this smear. It's a helpful pointer though, for however disappointed I become with our pathetic current government, it keeps me conscious of the sort of manipulation and mind control being perpetrated by the left.

Can you help me to understand why you claim that the incidence of paedophilia is vastly inflated? And can you honestly say that you have been telling people that their perceptions of paedophilia are vastly inflated before you decided that this perception is "right wing"?

@J1J2 do you have any statistics or evidence to back that up?
Fixation - moral panic - obsession...
I've been following Tim Ballard's work for years , have you? Because I think you are sorely mistaken. And it puts you on the very very dark side of society by doing that.

I really dislike the term moral panic, I know it wasn't always a manipulative term but it's rarely not used in a gaslighty way.

I watched a documentary about the Paedophile Information Exchange once, they used that term a lot.

No one is okay with child trafficking,
...🤔

Some people are definitely okay with it, the ones who do it, partake in it, and promote it, and you have no way of knowing who these people are, and you can bet your arse there are loads in government and in fact all areas of super wealthy society.

Yes, Example - the often quoted figure of “800,000 children go missing each year in the USA” as ‘evidence’ of the volume of child trafficking is grossly misunderstood- 800,000(ish) children get reported missing with 99% accounted for within hours - most of the cases are custody-dispute or kids staying out too long.
There are approximately 100 kids that are genuinely abducted, never to be seen again in the US per year - a VAST difference to 800,000.

I think we can agree that this doesn’t include the actual predators involved. My point was that it’s not the patently ridiculous suggestion that progressives don’t care and only the right-wing christians who do (never mind that churches and religious institutions are significantly over-represented in the community for instances of child abuse, but we can leave that can of worms for now)

It’s an entirely appropriate descriptor and completely relevant here again.
It’s been a thing long since the days of Anita Bryant’s hysteria.

Nobody thinks that the majority of trafficked children come from rich western countries like the US or those in the EU. Nobody. So stop being a disingenuous twat. We all know that it's children in poorer countries who are most at risk. Children who already live their lives with so much less wealth and potential for comfort also have the much more real threat of abduction and being trafficked hanging over them. But the 'good guys' try to use stats about comparatively wealthy children that we all know are at minimal risk to muddy the waters and minimise the risk to poorer kids. WTAF is wrong with people who would do that? Seriously? It's genuinely disgusting. But fire away, dismiss the very real disgust of normal people at your disgusting attempts to minimise what poorer kids face, as moral panic. It doesn't make it any less disgusting to normal people though.

The 800,000 figure has been quoted for children in the USA thanks, so stop being such a disingenuous twat yourself.
No one is arguing about poorer countries being worse either, so stop shifting goal posts.

Pay attention to the fact that all the actual organisations involved in dealing with child trafficking have said this QAnon fantasy has actually made their jobs harder.

Quoted where? In this movie? And since you are so good at numbers, you do know this movie was written before QAnon even existed right?

Apparently the Sound of Freedom will be released in the UK on 1st September.

I wish people would go and see it before insisting that it is far too Right wing, too Christian or Q Anon.
We already know the dates don't add up for Q, so what if Ballard has a religious belief and child abusers come from all political sides and classes, money hungry traffickers too.

As for people who say the incidence of child abuse and trafficking are low, I wish it were so.
I am a retired social worker who worked in Child Protection, closely with the police, including CEOPS and teams dealing with child trafficking and abuse. It has been eye opening and awful.
I have no illusions about the depths of depravity in our well regulated and civilised country. Apparently kindly and decent family men, respected businessmen, religious leaders and public servants, not to mention politicians and “elite” men, all lusting after children and younger teens. Children in and leaving care are easy meat for these people, as I have seen.
In a way, it was easier to cope with dealing with the unwashed lank haired loners that most people think of as paedophiles, because we can “other” them, rather than facing the reality that they live among us.

And regarding the children in poorer countries who are most at risk, it is calculated that a child of, say 5 years, can be sold (ie raped for large sums of money) TEN times a day, seven days a week, for up to ten years. Then, when they are physically and mentally ruined, sold on for torture porn and organ harvesting.
The child rape industry is apparently set to overtake the drugs trade shortly, as it is so lucrative.

Excellent post @Giggorata . Some of you need to read this and weep.

@Giggorata As for people who say the incidence of child abuse and trafficking are low, I wish it were so.

If what I posted came across that way I'd like to clarify that what I meant by low risk in the wealthier countries is low risk of being abducted and sold into international slavery. Rightly or wrongly, I don't currently view that as a massive risk to my DS in western Europe. In terms of being abused, he's realistically more at risk from people like male sports coaches or a potential future male partner that I may have. I know that children of single mother's are more likely to be viewed as easier targets by predators, so most of the precautions I make for his safety are from that angle.