Sound of Freedom - Guardian linking anti Child Trafficking to Right Wing

[CuriouslyDifferent]

I have a distasteful view of the Guardian. However, this is a new low.

I’ve attached the article but I can’t believe somehow the Guardian is linking the success of an anti Child Trafficking film, to the right wing.

Like that’s a bad thing?

https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/06/sound-of-freedom-movie-qanon-jim-caviezel

Every side should be anti trafficking, never mind child trafficking…. But the Guardian doesn’t want you to see this film.

As always, I ask the question Why?

From what I’ve heard, the film is a hard watch, but why minimise it in this manner. why link it to Qanon (who suggest there’s some powerfull people involved in peado rings). Why talk about it being a right wing issue.

I’m not a fan of Minor attracted People or whatever term theyvare using to normalise child abuse. Maybe that’s a problem for the guardian. I believe we should have the death sentence for child abusers. If that makes me right wing. sign me up.

It is inaccurate. Sex education and teaching about lgbt people does not lead to child trafficking. What leads to child trafficking is some children being unimportant and their vulnerability ignored by society.
You see nothing on MN about these children and nothing about how our government increases their vulnerability. Asylum seeker children placed alone in hostels, the youngest nine. Children in bed and breakfasts, teenagers in hostels with open drug dealing and criminality all around. These are the children at risk.

This!

the film was scripted before QAnon. Does that make you change your mind about it playing into the QAnon phenomenon?

The Guardian is a disgraceful excuse for a newspaper that I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

Whilst I totally agree. I read widely because I don’t want to only ever look at one side of an argument or debate.

what I now see, is that the replication of American media into the Guardian (that article is pretty much a lift) is a small number companies pushing a narrative. so for instance Vice wrote the same article, but they are owned by Disney, who kept the film on the shelf for 5 odd years. The media outlets operating under Penske Media Group are all also pushing the Qanon link…. Rolling Stone, Variety, etc.

So I’m afraid, I came to the conclusion, not withstanding that the Guardian is a shit rag, and Disney are embarassed (at best) but rather, one of the ‘elites’ who is controlling a lot of our spoon fed “don’t think” media, is Jay Penske. A name I hadn’t heard of until I started digging. funny how it always goes back to a middle aged white male isn’t it.

so, yes you are right, Guardian is disgraceful, but it’s just a puppet in the different game.

Do you have to agree with all the actors whose movies you watch? Tom Cruise is a whackadoodle Scientologist. Do all of you boycott his movies?

I'm American; I've seen it and it's very, very good.

Well, if Tom Cruise chose to act in a film about fighting a serious, real-life problem, and then went around promoting the film saying that the answer to that problem is Scientology, I might question the agenda of the film, yes.

Particularly if the biggest fans of the film were all famous Scientologists as well.

I'm still going to watch it though.

Tis a good point.

I understand that it also has Mira Sorvino in it. A victim of Harvey Weinsteins career altering play dates, but who also has featured in an anti Women trafficking film, called Human Trafficking in 2005.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/sound-of-freedom/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwihr9Wk0aqAAxWRiFwKHVUxCEMQFnoECAUQAg&usg=AOvVaw3TktcaAfGFWkC5ig9dXQq5" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">History vs Hollywood

This is effectively my point too.

Panic over stupidly skewed, inflated numbers IS. NOT. HELPFUL.

Panic that includes alleging very specific people are involved (without any evidence) is extremely dangerous - consider the line "the only good paedo is a dead peado" rhetoric - completely innocent people could end up being killed by vigilantism falsely spread on telegram and social media conspiracies.

The Pizzagate saga was an extremely visible example of why fuelling this panic is so serious, visceral and dangerous.

And again - putting Panic and a child Trafficking in the same post. I have concerns about your hard drive.

So now you've resorted to accusing people who disagree with you of being paedophiles?

Before you try to get all high and mighty with an "aha" for catching one of those horrible left wingers, be aware that there are actually MULTIPLE blocgs and websites devoted to tallying up all the republicans, right wing law makers, christian pastors and conservative pundits spouting "family values" who have been subsequently being caught in sexual assault cases - MANY including with children.
This one lists has reached 1100 at latest count.

The reason these sites seem more focused on the right is because these are all examples of individuals claiming some kind of inherent conservative moral superiority (while disparaging the LGBTQI community as being sick or suggesting those of us who recognise that appropriately educating our children about sexuality and their bodies is not 'grooming' but actually makes them less likely to be able to be groomed) while denigrating those on the left for licentiousness - ie abject, utter flaming hypocrisy.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/15/2181390/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-44

I do think people and organizations who undermine anything that exposes others or messaging, who are anti child trafficking, give genuine cause for concern.

It’s one thing to argue about scale of the issue…. Put it into perspective, say one would prefer to focus on other issues.

it’s another to link it to Qanon conspiracy theories to dismiss it. To label it is as right wing - is to politicize it, to stop people watching it.

Why is child trafficking not an issue for left wing media? There will be no simple answer, and on both sides of politics there will be abusers and traffickers, all should be dealt with harshly.

And when individuals defend the left wing media for it…. It gives me grave concern about their motives.

Hey, the only high and mighty I want, is for all abusers and traffickers to be dealt with in the harshest terms.

No panic - when we find them, they are prosecuted and maybe just maybe a debate about the penalties, because I don’t believe current legislation is harsh enough for rape, child abuse or human trafficking.

I certainly do not entertain any idea, that such individuals who have a sexual preference for children, be badged as ‘minor attracted.’

This issue transcends politics.

The hypocrisy of the left to throw around phrases like Nazi, Racist and so on…. But no, we can’t have a panic about child trafficking - people might actually rise up and do something about it.

Why is that so scary to the left?

It could transcend politics if the right didnt so consistently try and make it out like only they care about the issue and/or that the left are actually behind it or causing it.

Or frame fake arguments of the left 'grooming' to oppose their abstinence, ignorance based, head-in-the-sand attitude to sexuality generally. Even trying to make out the re-term of "minor-attraction" thing as a left thing is absolute conflated bullshit - just like Anita Bryant tried suggesting that the mere visibility of homosexuals was 'grooming' the children for being gay way back in the 1970s.
Its the same old tired conservative play book. Same sh*t, different century.

You ask why we cant have a 'panic'?
When people are literally talking about murdering suspected paedos - and the right loves making out the entire democrat party, the clintons, obama etc etc etc are all in on the paedo ring, then yeah, no panic thanks.
*never mind Trump literally having dozens of sexual assault cases against him, being recorded bragging about assaulting women, favourably remarking about Eppstein's interest in young girls and publicly making revolting sexualised comments about his own daughter- apparently he's the saviour of trafficked children according to the end game of this 'panic'

The problem with labels like "centre left", "far right" etc is that politics and the media has progressively become so extremely left wing, that moderate, mainstream views are termed now "far right", while so-called "centre left" media is actually a euphemism for the radical left.

"And again - putting Panic and a child Trafficking in the same post. I have concerns about your hard drive."

@CuriouslyDifferent

Do you call everyone you disagree with a paedophile? Or just when you're safely anonymous on the Internet?

Lets just call a spade a spade and be blunt:
The kinds of people who fall for these panics and get sucked into ridiculous conspiracy theories ALWAYS tend to lack critical thinking skills.

They take highly emotive (and irrational) positions.

They lean to more black and white thinking - and an "us and them" mentality - rather than attempting to understand the nuance that exists in any complex issue... Its easier to throw your hands up and call anyone who disagrees with you a 'paedo' than have to look more deeply at all the underlying issues, history, documented evidence and what actually works

They reject anything they deem "mAiN sTReAm mEdiUH" (which iroinically never includes the likes of Fox News) while believing any old unsubstantiated, uncorroborated claim on youtube and telegram messages published by any old hack without any form of accountability or fact checking - and only as long as it confirms their bias.

The combination of high emotions and this fixation with paedophillia has also caused innocent people to be killed only to be found out later it was mistaken... More recently there was a case of the commercial photographer hired by a daycare centre to photograph their property who was beaten close to death by a stranger on the street who wrongly guessed they were doing something untoward and took it into their own hands.

It's out here next week. I've booked my tickets for next weekend but it's getting booked up pretty fast at my local Vue.

Definitely intend to watch this film this weekend!

Good grief this was awful.