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Bringing a newborn to university lectures

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Nimnuan · 30/09/2025 18:08

I'm on a part-time university course (apprenticeship) and expecting a baby in the next few weeks. I'm not intending to take a break as any break would mean a year's delay. All classes this year my baby will be under 26 weeks old and breastfeeding.
I want to bring her to lectures with me because arranging childcare and expressing breastmilk will be much more difficult at such a young age and given the university's atrocious arrangements for expressing. Obviously if she cries or is disruptive I'll have to step out into the hallway.
I've just been told that I'm not allowed to bring my newborn to lectures because it would be a "contravention of rules and regulations". I've asked to be told which rules and regulations but haven't heard back yet.
Can you give me any advice about how to argue my case?

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Motheranddaughter · 01/10/2025 07:09

Whoknowshere · 01/10/2025 05:58

try and find if anyone has done it before.
at the university of edinburgh one of the professors in Civil Engineer used to bring her baby to work. She took 6 months mat leave so he already was 6 month old, she came back and managed to obtain not to teach, so she was just coming to uni once or twice a week to meet phd/master students and she kept him in her office all the time, breastfeeding when needed. If you can find out if anyone else ever did it in your uni you can’t be refused.

Not true

Theboymolefoxandhorse · 01/10/2025 07:10

Tfishappening · 01/10/2025 00:46

Isn't that for OP to decide though? She might have to take time to recover, she might not. I had an emergency c section and 10 days later I was walking 5K to meet friends for picnics. It happens. And had I wanted to (I didn't) I could have done the sort of schedule OP is describing.

I understand your point about providing the space to heal and rest without compromising her career and I completely agree. But that very often isn't the case in the real world - and in this instance, it's not what OP wants. She should get to choose what she wants and her reasons for it should be all that matter.

Edited

There is a difference between doing what you want to do in your own recreational time post having a newborn and expecting an institution with its own rules and regulations (health and safety) and that has an obligation to multiple other people to change those to suit you. I agree that life is isn’t easy for women with children and where it is reasonable I do think reasonable adjustments should be made but I also think it’s naive and unrealistic to say that we should all as women be able to chose how things go when we have a baby with regards to work - that’s not how life works and we should expect that in life hard choices have to be made.

OP has already had one child during this degree - a decision that I respect and I actually this is remarkable. Last time she was told she couldn’t bring the baby into the lecture theatre and she missed lectures. She is now weeks from having the baby and the same has happened again and the rules appear not to have changed - I’m not sure why she would expect them to or why you think that she should be able to choose what she does in this regard. OP would actually have been happy to miss the lectures but now she will miss too many and will have to defer by a year if she misses these. I’m sorry but whatever arrangement she expected to have had should have been set out in writing clearly weeks ago.

Like many have said there are many things that could preclude OP from this arrangement. OP has herself said that if this second baby isn’t as easy as the first the arrangement won’t work and she will likely have to defer anyway. She may end up driving 3hrs a day only to sit outside most of the lecture theatre because baby is unsettled (or she may not). Even if she was allowed to bring the baby and the baby didn’t make a peep, taking in the information of a 5-10 hr lecture whilst you’re trying to breast feed multiple times (baby might latch reasonably well or might not, feeds can take up to 45 mins at that age plus can be exhausting) is not the same as going for a 5k walk with your friends.

Aside from OP being successful in her request to have the lectures recorded which she is planning on re-requesting - there are many work arounds to this situation

  • OP expresses and leaves baby at home (appreciate may be issues with supply)
  • OP gives baby formula for 1 day a week for 10 weeks - and every other day of the baby’s life it is breastfed - OP expresses for comfort whilst in the lectures
  • As another PP has said someone could bring baby to the uni campus and op could pop out to feed (this could mean she’s actually missing a lot of the lectures anyway but still counts as being present so doesn’t defer her course
  • OP has to defer the course.

OP won’t be the first or last woman to have had to make compromises to her life because she has made the choice to have a child. Many people try to plan their pregnancies around maternity leave entitlements , possible promotions, exams etc precisely because they’re aware that we don’t have complete control and choice over what happens to our careers / work after having a baby. And whilst I think all women should be supported in return to work I can also see as an employer if everyone was allowed to dictate the exact circumstances that works for them individually on their return to work, it would be impractical and unfeasibke to accomodate.

The university / her employer as I believe people are paid for apprenticeships needs to make a decision based on what is the best for everyone in that situation - often insurance will have a lot to do with it too.

I do think an individualised approach could be made if uni are not allowing remote learning in this instance - OP signs a waiver to say university not responsible for anything that might happen to baby, and that if they’re disruptive she has to leave and they ask if the rest of the class would have any objection (contrary to what many have said I suspect very few people would actually be bothered by this especially if there was the promise that if baby became unsettled they would be removed) but they don’t have to do that.

Theroadt · 01/10/2025 07:11

Nimnuan · 30/09/2025 18:47

Certainly, but I would ask them to please keep their opinions to themselves.

Well I suggest you don’t post on a public forum, then 🤷🏻‍♀️

user1476613140 · 01/10/2025 07:13

Just study with the OU. You don't need lectures in person. There are ways to work around this. Studying from home means you can study in PJs whilst your baby naps.

RozGruber · 01/10/2025 07:14

Nimnuan · 30/09/2025 20:31

Thanks. You're right, objections are useful, but only the first few times. So many people saying the same thing over and over again just makes it difficult to read through the thread.

Internet chat boards are a bit like real life gatherings in that they each have their own culture and norms. Mumsnet is not a site where you can post a question and direct others to limit their responses to be easier or more palatable for you. When you are an anonymous stranger asking people to use their discretionary time to give you free advice you take what you get.

Freshfacet · 01/10/2025 07:14

Nimnuan · 01/10/2025 06:50

If I only needed to breastfeed once a week this would be very helpful. As I've said, the lactation room is a 15 minute walk from class, you need to sign out a key, it takes 20 minutes to pump, and I'll need to do it at least every two hours until she's around three months old. Classes are three hours each with a twenty minute break in the middle.
I'll spend more time expressing or getting to/from the room than I will in class. The toilets are a better option the the lactation room and I already know I have access to those.

You’re planning on sitting in a 3 hour lecture with a new born ?

Freshfacet · 01/10/2025 07:15

You hate expressing op?

pinkstripeycat · 01/10/2025 07:17

All lectures at all universities are recorded so you can watch them in your own time

Freshfacet · 01/10/2025 07:17

Presumably all your plans could very very easily go out the window as so baby dependent

Mumtobabyhavoc · 01/10/2025 07:20

Callalilly2016 · 01/10/2025 06:45

And what about everyone else who have also paid for their course and want to be able to listen to the lectures without being interrupted by a baby. Babies will inevitably cry, fuss and need changing and attention. It’s unfair to everyone else and nothing to do with patriarchy.

Right....

Nimnuan · 01/10/2025 07:23

Freshfacet · 01/10/2025 07:15

You hate expressing op?

Doesn't everyone?

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Mumtobabyhavoc · 01/10/2025 07:24

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 30/09/2025 23:24

I haven’t read the whole thread, but I did take my newborn to lectures once a week till she was 3 months old. This was at Manchester Uni.

I left if she fussed, but she hardly ever did, which was actually quite a surprise after her older sister who cried much more.

My lecturers and the other students were all supportive.

I handed in all my work on time and got one of the higher grades in the cohort. My baby was not injured or damaged by going to college with me one day a week.

Good luck!

Exactly how it should be!

(Nice to "see" you, btw!) ☺️

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 07:24

I'd not stop protesting until the baby was banned from my lecture hall. Can I bring my dog? I can guarantee that my dog can sit quietly for more than 3 hours without needing anything from anyone.

user1476613140 · 01/10/2025 07:29

Ask for lectures to be uploaded to your online account with the uni. This is all really easily rectified with a bit of reasoning!

Soontobe60 · 01/10/2025 07:34

Nimnuan · 30/09/2025 22:53

Since we're all sharing, I feel concerned and sorry for your kids too. IMO your focus should be on them, not handing out unsolicited opinions to strangers in the internet. Just enjoy your life.

Presumably her babies are asleep at this time of night!

MrsDoubtfire1 · 01/10/2025 07:34

user1476613140 · 01/10/2025 07:29

Ask for lectures to be uploaded to your online account with the uni. This is all really easily rectified with a bit of reasoning!

Good way forward! The last thing I would want at uni is some baby crying or distracting me. or the lecturer. There are other people in this world apart from the great entitled.

Nimnuan · 01/10/2025 07:37

user1476613140 · 01/10/2025 07:29

Ask for lectures to be uploaded to your online account with the uni. This is all really easily rectified with a bit of reasoning!

This was refused previously but if I can get them to agree to change their minds would definitely be the best for me.

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Soontobe60 · 01/10/2025 07:37

Nimnuan · 01/10/2025 06:50

If I only needed to breastfeed once a week this would be very helpful. As I've said, the lactation room is a 15 minute walk from class, you need to sign out a key, it takes 20 minutes to pump, and I'll need to do it at least every two hours until she's around three months old. Classes are three hours each with a twenty minute break in the middle.
I'll spend more time expressing or getting to/from the room than I will in class. The toilets are a better option the the lactation room and I already know I have access to those.

My DD uses an automatic pump which is hardly noticeable and doesn’t need her to do anything at all. She used it in her KIT days when she was WFH and in Teams meetings - no one noticed. You could very easily pump whilst in the lectures and no one would be any the wiser.

Applematt · 01/10/2025 07:37

pinkstripeycat · 01/10/2025 07:17

All lectures at all universities are recorded so you can watch them in your own time

This is absolute bollocks.

Nimnuan · 01/10/2025 07:38

Soontobe60 · 01/10/2025 07:37

My DD uses an automatic pump which is hardly noticeable and doesn’t need her to do anything at all. She used it in her KIT days when she was WFH and in Teams meetings - no one noticed. You could very easily pump whilst in the lectures and no one would be any the wiser.

Worth trying, thanks.

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Freshfacet · 01/10/2025 07:39

Nimnuan · 01/10/2025 07:23

Doesn't everyone?

Not enough that I’d want to bring my newborn in to a lecture hall for 2x 3 hour lectures in one day, no.

Miniatureschnauzers · 01/10/2025 07:43

@Nimnuan im thinking about equality act and reasonable adjustments in relation to maternity. Could you attend virtually?

Freshfacet · 01/10/2025 07:43

You will be up and down like a jack in the box

feed
burp
more burp
Nappy change

etc

PurpleThistle7 · 01/10/2025 07:48

LivingTheLife1 · 01/10/2025 06:05

I had a lecturer who used to wear her baby in a sling when she gave lectures. It worked just fine.

Sure but that was what? An hour? This woman wants to do this for 10 hours straight.

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