I feel sad about Angela Rayner

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OK, I am left leaning so maybe I am already biased, BUT, I do feel sad that a woman who overcame early issues, who was “proper” working class, who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect, and achieved a high office without a single spoon in her working class mouth, has gone.

i do understand that many people will agree with what has happened. I would have been fuming if the story played out the way it had as a different party, and I understand that Angela had to go, BUT as a woman who believes in holding up other women, particularly those who aren’t born to certain families, or have expectations placed on them from word go, I do feel a bit sad this morning.

There was a working class woman in the House of Commons. A working class woman was the deputy prime minister of this country. It is not even 100 years since working class women could vote. I feel sad.

So your contention is that now, after decades of widening access to higher education, when the proportion of state educated students at Oxford has never been higher and is to some extent artificially supported by policies that seek to recruit young people who attended state run schools and whose parents did not attend university, and after significant efforts to improve the proportion of women entering STEM subjects, and the opening of all colleges rather than 4 or 5 to women, that it would be HARDER for a girl with Margaret Thatcher’s background, obvious drive and talent to win a place to study chemistry at Oxford? Goodness. Those efforts and the large financial outlay associated with them were unnecessary and counterproductive, weren’t they?

It's 14 years of tories that has screwed the country up. God help us if the moron right wingers vote reform in. Then you'll see the end of Britain.

IDK - that seems to be stretching the definition of a 'lie' quite widely

The simple answer is Hove seafront is a lovely place to live - it's not busy and grubby like Brighton/London and is very close to acres and acres of open downland

And obviously still close to her place of work

I'm not going to discuss/speculate about other 'personal reasons' why she'd want to live in Hove that have been publlshed in trashy newspapers online etc,
That's her private business and doesn't make it a 'lie'

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Who are you talking to?

Should have read the Torygraph.

Same

she couldnt afford that flat. She should not have bought it

she forgot who she is

oh, that was for @jesusisarochdalegirl . The page automatically refreshes and wipes the quotes if I go away for too long. Combination of old phone and having to deal with occasional disagreements between children. Which are now not so occasional so this’ll be my last for a while.

Quite, @PigletJohn. Good spot.

Perhaps she wrote the article! #newcareer

Obviously Hove is where the boyfriend lives. Nothing to do with her work

she has let herself down.

Yes, she should definitely remember her station in life. No chance of social mobility for her. 🙄

We shouldn’t be judging anyone born 100 years ago by today’s standards, it was a different world.

@Blossomtoes That is very true but it doesn’t stop people from judging and trying to cancel Winston Churchill, Cecil Rhodes and Co for reflecting views that were widely held in those days.

It’s over an hour from London by train. That’s only just within daily commuting distance'

You obviously don't live anywhere near London or know what distances people travel to work there
B&H are prime commuting locations - the stations at 7am are packed to the gills with 1000s and 1000s of commuters

Neither Central London or Hove are near her children in her Aston constituency - Hove is about 50 miles further

If, as has been speculated, she moved to Hove because she is projected to lose her current seat and wanted to embed herself in advance in a safer seat, that is a gross dereliction of duty

3 seats in B&H
Peter Kyle LP
Sian Berry Green
David Ward LP

So which seat do you think she was eyeing up?
Sian Berry has huge majority
David Wards majority is no better than hers in AShton
Peter Kyle?? - do you think he's going to rollover and give up his safe seat

There's a little box on the right-hand side of the message box labelled save 'draft' - tick that stops it being erased

I think it’s awful of her to blame the solicitors. They will have been paid a relatively modest fee to do a conveyance. They rightly identified a potential issue and advised she takes specialised advice on that. It’s not for them to give that specialised advice included in their small fee 🙄 and to take the risk on that.

I do this all the time. I can see clients face an iht liability so explain simply how to mitigate that. If they want more specialised advice I sign post them to one of the decent IFAs I know. If they came whining back to me saying it was my fault their tax affairs went wrong I would tell them to sod off (but professionally).

She is selfish and money grabbing. She already is questionable after the whole
council house fiasco. Why does no one remember that? Also taking freebies all the time & criticised others for less than what she did. This was not an honest mistake & she lied, claiming she followed advice. That was found not to be true.

Also if you are going to strongly criticise others you need to be whiter than white yourself. Glass houses and stones and all that.

That said agree it’s a shame. Power really does seem to corrupt doesn’t it?

I do remember it. I also remember it being investigated by HMRC twice and the decision being made twice that no tax was payable.

Just a small addition to this interesting post - when MT went to Oxford there were no tuition fees to pay and a full grant for living costs - so possibly less expensive than today

Much less expensive. It literally cost nothing to be a student before 1998. Grants were far from generous but it was possible to live frugally on them. I think I got £800 a term in the 80s.

If Rayner or any other MP, of any party, wants to have property in Hove or anywhere else, wants to own more than one home, or wants to have business interests outside parliament, good luck to them. Nothing wrong with that. I don’t really understand why AR’s given up living in her constituency, but that’s a political choice for her and her constituents to make their minds up about.

But it should all be done properly. Which is why PigletJohn’s Telegraph post is so pointless. The Telegraph was offering information about reducing tax, not breaking the rules.

And if a politician is going to carve themselves a name for being a flayer of dodgy conduct…break the rules and embarrassment and ridicule beckon.

So, was Angela’s “mistake” less or more important than Boris’ birthday cake? I also think it is sad that power corrupts, but it does.

Reminds me of

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nadhim-zahawi-tax-hmrc-investigation-b2262565.html

Indeed. Rayner and Zahawi. Peas in a pod.

Except for Rayner’s outspoken, self-appointed crusade against dodginess of course.

Agree ! I think she was the new “John Prescot” to the tories and subject to ridicule even before this trouble xx