I feel sad about Angela Rayner

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OK, I am left leaning so maybe I am already biased, BUT, I do feel sad that a woman who overcame early issues, who was “proper” working class, who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect, and achieved a high office without a single spoon in her working class mouth, has gone.

i do understand that many people will agree with what has happened. I would have been fuming if the story played out the way it had as a different party, and I understand that Angela had to go, BUT as a woman who believes in holding up other women, particularly those who aren’t born to certain families, or have expectations placed on them from word go, I do feel a bit sad this morning.

There was a working class woman in the House of Commons. A working class woman was the deputy prime minister of this country. It is not even 100 years since working class women could vote. I feel sad.

TheAutumnalCrow · Today 10:36
The gloating, and the gleeful tone about her wage reduction, in various newspapers today (eg the Telegraph) is making me feel very, very uneasy.
I’m not enjoying any part of this.

Did you feel the same about the gloating that ensued when Tory MPs were caught breaking the rules?

Me too. I really like her

Because she thought she'd get away with it? Idk why does anyone want to save £40k if they think they can.

I agree - I think Thatcher was working class (and that her Dad’s job as a shopkeeper could be seen as a ‘traditional’ working class profession).

I think it was via her grammar school and Oxford University education that she became middle class - and then, in much later years, when she became a member of the House of Lords - upper class.

In my mind, she’s that ultimate example of a working class ‘made good’. She embodies that typical Tory fantasy that, no matter where you come from, you can make a success of yourself through sheer hard work, intelligence and grit. That’s why I think she’s still admired by so many people today, including me - although I don’t approve of her policies one bit!!

Edit: I’m not a Tory btw. Labour/LD voter.

Agree.

I think that was partly because people were so pleased to see they’d finally been found out and got what was, in the eyes of the electorate, their deserved comeuppance.

It's so insulting that people rate Rayner because of her working class schtick- her "gobbiness"/her teen pregnancy.
No, she was insufferable and thick and she does not represent or enhance the profile of under-privileged women from the north
She's the metropolian elite's idea of northern/Midland working class
You'd be amazed but there are women from council estates around here- West Yorkshire- who can think for themselves, have standards and aren't full of entitlement (but they're the ones vilified for WrongThink)
Jess Phillips is an another Labour example of professional working class (gobby/ranty)- though of course she's solidly middle class- just larping
The left needs to raise its expectations of women/working class/minorities- maybe then we'd see a shift in the calibre of its politicians
All so insulting

I find this arguement a bit annoying. Yes she would, but that's just political banter.

I genuinely don't recall any gloating about whether of not they would henceforth struggle to pay their utility bills and buy food and clothes for their teenage children.

But why the hurry? She would have saved the £40k if she'd just waited till her son's next birthday.

What was the big rush for? Is there, as pp suggested, more to come out (about either her or Tarry, or both); or is it that, as @lazyarse123 suggested, She probably rushed that purchase because she knows Reeves is probably going to increase stamp duty which would indeed be corruption but then Starmer would never have backed her.

Last man(woman) standing on a sinking ship. The Tories are devoid of talent at the moment, and she and Robert Jenrick were the only ones daft enough to think it’d be a career building opportunity to lead in the current environment.

Labour are doing really badly but the Tories aren’t making the slightest dent. She’s utterly ineffective. She can’t even make the papers.

Kemi's appointment was a bit like Starmers. People didn't know enough about them at the time, talked a good talk but wouldn't vote for them now.

'She can't even make the papers'. The media play their part in this, she has a different approach it's not all Farage style headlines.

Everyone who buys a second home knows the stamp duty is higher. You can find that info on the internet without "specialised tax/legal advice".

I do not care who she is or where she came from, she is a tax cheat and is unfit for public office.
(Ditto moat cleaning duck house owners).

And yes I know the loathesome Tony Blair also avoided paying stamp duty by buying a London home as a company from an offshore location "as that is what the vendor wanted to do".
Labour....social justice, my arse.

Pigs in the trough. All of them. Rorting the system.
😡

I would have said incompetence and losing £40k plus her job due to lazy arrogance and not checking, but maybe you're right and there is more to it.

I agree, it absolutely sticks in my throat to hear wealthy priviledged men calling her out when the majority of them would have done exactly the thing and probably have several homes and are masters of tax evasion themselves .
Being a working class and a women means you have to be BETTER than everyone else and whiter than white otherwise they will take you down.
She was an idiot not to realise this.
Tbf similar happened to Theresa May, who although more middle class still didn't come from huge privilege and was constantly undermined by her own party.

I mean, saying that someone doesn't make MSM is a poor argument
This is a cowardly media that will call a man "she"- its full of fashionable lies
Hardly going to show a right wing politician in a positive light

I think Labour only got in because a lot of Tory voters voted Reform, effectively wasting their vote. I honestly think because of the shit show we’re now in, if there was another election Reform would actually win hands down 😣

Yes Times Radio said 'objectively' she did well at something the other day. You could hear the difficulty. A bit like Gisele praising Anne Hathaway in TDWP for the Chanel boots. The media are not with KB and prefer to ignore.

I can’t believe the stamp duty was a genuine error at all, the information is clear and she should have decided which her main home was, strangely the flat was it when there was a £40k difference in stamp duty but told the government the house in the constituency was the main home. She’s willingly jumped on others for such subterfuge, don’t dish it out if you can’t take it

@EasternStandard
Doesn't surprise me
Badenoch's been awesome on the defense of women's spaces (as I'm sure you know)- yet how is that spun in the media? Genuine question- I don't see it profiled much- probably just called anti-trans!
This is a black woman sticking up for women and girls' rights not to be in vulnerable spaces with men - the MSM should adore her- the chattering classes should be praising her to the hilt- gosh- wonder why they're not
I need to watch TDWP!!

@Thefastandthecurious5 I agree about Thatcher. She had the savvy to realise she needed to embrace a way of speaking, dressing and behaving that would fit a senior politician. The only female speaker, Betty Boothroyd, came from humble beginnings, her parents were mill workers. She was highly respected.

No of course not they are equally reprehensible, I was replying to someone who said she's worked to enjoy an £800k house. Caring for a few years doesn't usually earn that (and of all the roles she's had that is the most useful and has created the most value to society- she has been a massive net cost as a politician as have all of this govt and the past Tory govt.

Yes exactly. Rayner hardly supporting the cause there! Happy to hang them out to dry to save her skin.

Exactly she was happy to try and destroy a business to save her own job. Good riddance.