I feel sad about Angela Rayner

[Neededa]

OK, I am left leaning so maybe I am already biased, BUT, I do feel sad that a woman who overcame early issues, who was “proper” working class, who didn’t speak the kings English, but rather with a proper local dialect, and achieved a high office without a single spoon in her working class mouth, has gone.

i do understand that many people will agree with what has happened. I would have been fuming if the story played out the way it had as a different party, and I understand that Angela had to go, BUT as a woman who believes in holding up other women, particularly those who aren’t born to certain families, or have expectations placed on them from word go, I do feel a bit sad this morning.

There was a working class woman in the House of Commons. A working class woman was the deputy prime minister of this country. It is not even 100 years since working class women could vote. I feel sad.

The fact she benefited so much from government help in those early years, she advocates for sure starts, only makes it worse that she is depriving people in a similar situation of help by knowingly underpaying tax.

With a salary in the range of &160,000 I struggle to see why she didn't have the ability to pay for the specialist tax advice she was advised to seek.
That was a conscious decision she took not to do that.

I think Rayner is an embarrassment to women, lacks integrity and if she was the best Labour could do for a Deputy PM role then heaven help us.

Agree, I think more will come out. Is it really in her son’s best interest that his compensation money has been used to buy him a bigger share of an overvalued 4 bed detached house?

Serves her right! She tried to avoid paying tax while ripping off hard-working people. She reaped what she sowed. Hopefully this will be the end of her political career.

Why are 'the Left' obsessed with class @Neededa ?

Thatcher was working class- her father owned a grocery shop.
However, she didn't get pregnant at 16.

Whereas AR has tried to use her single motherhood as a badge of honour.

She's got no experience of work whatsoever except as a member of unions, trying to get workers their 'rights'.

Part of AR's downfall was she had poor judgment and trying to benefit from the 'spoils' of her position and sailing close to the wind- freebies for her and her boyfriend in New York (dodgy but go away with it), free clothes, and a 2nd home for £800K when she is supposed to be focusing on building 1.5 million homes.
And don't forget she had her house valued at twice the price of the others, the same, in her road.

That doesn't look good. To me, it looks like the power went to her head and she thought 'Fuck the rest of you. I'm alright'.

She had three places to live in. It is hardly in keeping with the spirit of her left wing politics. I don’t care how many homes people have but I’m not a left wing politician who was until yesterday Secretary of State for housing.

and supposed to be focusing on building 1.5 million homes for people who have none!

"The irony is, once her son is 18, next year, she can reclaim the additional SLDT, as he can then own property himself."

I'm not so sure about that. I know nothing about this situation but, if her son is disabled, is it not possible that this could be a vulnerable beneficiaries trust or otherwise set up to provide for him for the rest of his life?

In that situation he certainly wouldn't own the property when he reached 18.

I think Keir was following the advice 'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer'.

She was a liability, they didn't get on and he was stuck with having to find a Dep Leader after Corbyn made the ruling.

She might have got away with her behaviour within the closed shop of the unions, (her only place of work) but not in the full sight of the media.

I don’t see why Labour MP’s can’t own own multiple houses or be from millionaire backgrounds ( although I’m sure the tories have more of examples of this) I liked the Labour MP Anthony Wedgwood Ben previous Labour MP who was the son of a peer AND I liked Angela Rayner too. I don’t get the how dare she own several houses she’s worked for it good on her!
However she is in government and needed to be scrupulously careful she was following all the rules, as Barack Obama said when they go low we need to go high , in other words Labour must not go down the , rule flouting is ok for us Tory party highway. But agree with op it’s a pity she had to go.

She was the deputy prime minister- if that’s not being a high achiever, I don’t know what is.

This was her mistake, why are others to blame?

If it were a Tory minister no one would be wringing their hands about how unfair it all was. Least of all Angela Rayner.

Well she had to resign, but the good news for her is that, following the Tory playbook, she can reinstated in another top government/party position in three or four years. She must still have at least three or four lives left by the standards set by the Tories and their cheerleaders in the Telegraph/Mail/Times etc.

Betty Boothroyd managed to be both Northern and working class without bending/breaking/ignoring (delete as you see fit) the rules applicable to her own brief.

She got where she was by wearing her brash roots like a badge, coupled with the Union job, and right place right time.

She would always be found wanting in the integrity and leadership departments. Just a question of how long she would last.

Aye.

No one needs an expensive flat in Brighton. No one on MP wages needs to be borrowing from their disabled kid’s trust fund to buy another very expensive home. It’s all a problem of her own making and smacks of thinking she is better than the rest of us and deserves more. No working class values here at all.

There is no Venn diagram where people who dgaf about Nigel Farage’s bullshit and people who would like Angela Raynor if she hadn’t done this crossover I’m afraid 😁

I don’t understand why the Labour Party doesn’t do more to ensure its MPs aren’t better advised and also don’t keep fucking up with hypocritical shite all the time.

We have no way of knowing what advice she did or didn't get. Thoughts of the woman as a person are irrelevant in this situation. She must have known the second that word of the house sale and the tax got out she needed to pack her bags. She would have been down on anyone else in a similar position like a ton of bricks.

One could however take the view that Blair destroyed trust in politics in this country. The shift to soundbites, messaging and spin rather than delivery can be laid directly at his door. The roots of the divisive adversarial briefing wars that pervade UK politics today are in New Labour

One could also take the view that the belief that you can significantly improve public services without raising taxes is also the fault of the Blair government. Their widescale use of PFI and off balance sheet financing meant they could borrow huge amounts of money for public spending but it not appear as public debt. Short term ever looked great. And everyone likes that. Spending increases. Taxes stay the same. Public debt not affected. Of course, what it did is tie future government to paying large and increasing outflows of cash for earlier spending that needed to be funded from current year tax revenues. Leaving less for spending on actual services in those years.

They can have as many houses as they like.
Tony Blair collected them along the way- lost count of how many he has now.

But at a time when we are short of homes and house prices are unaffordable for so many people, she comes over as unable to read the room.

Lack of intelligence or just sheer self-interest?

Or both?

I don't think that having a vagina means I should be allowed to get away with theft and corruption, no. Or that a man doing the same thing would be worse because he's doing it bepenised.

As to whether being female affects your career prospects, that's a different question and not the topic of the thread. But if feminism means "we give special allowances to women to be shitwitches" then you can keep it.

Judge people on their character and behaviour, not on their immutable characteristics. Identity politics is stupid and divisive and deeply unjust.

Margaret Thatcher working class? “Up to a point, Lord Copper”

I agree. Her achievement of being the Deputy Prime Minister after a childhood of almost Victorian poverty and neglect is admirable.

There have been Conservative politicians who broke the Ministerial Code much more egregiously involving huge sums, such as Nadhim Zahawi whose tax avoidance involved millions of pounds and he issued numerous threats of libel to cover it up, but he wasn't villified in the press like Angela Rayner.

Mandleson made a comeback or two after a property and an immigration scandal ;)

No. As I have said several times. However, Laurie Magnus does.

Like the self described ‘working class’ Sir Kier? Did you know that his father was a tool maker…