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Newborn baby confiscated when mother fails competency test

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MumoftwoNC · 24/08/2025 07:04

This is in Denmark. I didn't know this was a thing, I'd never heard of this... I'm so upset by it. Does anyone know any more about this? Surely this wouldn't happen in the UK? I thought mums would be given support if they weren't "competent" rather than just have their baby taken into care.

Apologies for the Guardian link which just goes on about the mother's ethnic minority, whereas I think this would be awful regardless of the race of the mum.

Protests as newborn removed from Greenlandic mother after ‘parenting competence’ tests https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/23/protests-as-newborn-removed-from-greenlandic-mother-after-parenting-competence-tests?CMP=share_btn_url

I found another article from January incorrectly saying the tests had been banned.

"According to a 2022 report published by the Danish Institute for Human Rights, 5.6% of children with a Greenlandic background living in Denmark had at the time been placed into care, compared to 1% of those with a Danish background."

Even 1% seems quite high for children who are taken into care??

https://www.euronews.com/2025/01/21/denmark-abandons-controversial-parenting-competency-tests-used-on-greenlanders

Protests as newborn removed from Greenlandic mother after ‘parenting competence’ tests

Danish authorities take one-hour-old infant despite law banning the tests on people with Greenlandic backgrounds

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/23/protests-as-newborn-removed-from-greenlandic-mother-after-parenting-competence-tests?CMP=share_btn_url

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DancingNotDrowning · 25/08/2025 19:33

@LuckyAnt how on earth can you be confident enough to assert that the baby must be returned to her mother?!

you have no idea what risks the mother may pose to the baby.

BigOldBlobsy · 25/08/2025 19:53

@MumoftwoNCHmmmm it’s difficult to say. If this is an inherently racist test then yes it does need addressing, or if there are wider cultural implications that mean there’s an unsafe practice happening amongst Greenlandic parents then that perhaps needs support as well.

However, it can definitely can be decided to remove a baby before birth. Pre birth assessments are done in the U.K. if there are significant concerns during pregnancy or if the parent has prior safeguarding concerns that warrant looking into, for example previous children removed. It’s sad, but as others have said, these assessments aren’t done for a joke. Babies are best with their parents but only if safe and cared for.
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Onthebusses · 25/08/2025 19:56

PollyBell · 24/08/2025 07:28

It should be what is best for any children born and yes I think people should have a licence to have children and yes I also include myself in that, I get sick of hearing about parents rights and not poor children who have to raised in, at times, terrible circumstances because ticking a box to not offended a parent is more important that what is best for the children comes last

How many issues does society have to fix because parents put their needs first? A child is not an accessory

Who gets to set the criteria for this license?

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 25/08/2025 20:18

logiccalls · 25/08/2025 19:12

It would be considered shocking if someone clearly unfit to care for a puppy kept on and on being given them, by the local supplier. Presumably a court could instruct that she must not attempt to get another, and the supplier could be notified that the order was in place? There are banning orders to protect unsuitable people getting pets. Why not the same for babies?

A sterilisation, a coil, a contraceptive implant, would be in the interests of all concerned, when repeat-breeders are involved. I.i.r.c., Baby P had a series of older siblings, all in turn 'given support' by social workers until they finally had to give up and remove each of them, which invariably made the mother get pregnant yet again.After killing him, his mother was able to get pregnant yet again, before sentence, calculating correctly that she would have a pleasant extended stay pre and post birth, in the prison mother and baby unit.

Yeah.No.

missrabbit1990 · 25/08/2025 20:36

MumoftwoNC · 24/08/2025 11:36

If mum can’t/won’t end the relationship or continues to enter relationships with dangerous and abusive men (because it almost always is men) then sometimes the risks are too high to leave the child in their care.

If a man is deemed too dangerous to live with a baby then he should be in prison, end of. Removing the baby should not be the solution to a dangerous man at large. This is the conservative viewpoint, or it's mine at least.

Very dopey argument. If social services thought like you, even more children would be abused than - sadly - already are.

Arran2024 · 29/08/2025 19:16

MumoftwoNC · 24/08/2025 07:58

If that were the case why is the solution to remove the baby rather than remove the paedo stepdad?? It's heartbreaking

Seriously? Some women will always put a partner first, even violent paedophiles. I adopted two children from that very situation. We saw papers on three sets of children and all three had violent fathers or step

Arran2024 · 29/08/2025 19:33

Also wanted to mention Constance Martin. She was to have her baby removed at birth so she and her partner went on the run - and the baby was found dead. So the authorities were right.

GarlicLitre · 29/08/2025 19:45

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 24/08/2025 09:33

That also happens when there's enough evidence pre-birth that the baby will be at serious harm if allowed to stay with its mother/parents. It's rarer because the threshold for proof is higher, as it should be.

A woman I know has had all 5 of her babies removed. She's likeable and very much wants children. She's an addict, always with some domineering man, off her face 90% of the time.

Her first two children were removed from her as toddlers, the rest shortly after birth. She still feels she should get a chance to prove herself, but the sad reality is she's already proved where her priorities are.

Rednorth · 05/09/2025 18:43

myplace · 24/08/2025 07:18

I have supervised contact with a family whose baby I fostered. I had to intervene when an adult went to smear sudocreme onto baby’s bottom while it was still smeared with fecal matter.

They would spend more time pumping me for information, trying to build a bond with me so I’d write them a good report, than they’d spend with their baby. It was upsetting. She was a little darling of a child.

Never ever forget that leaving a baby in place when baby should have been removed leads to sick or dead babies.

But- babies should be with their mums if at all possible- this family were assessed using the wrong method, and could perhaps have kept her had the right method been used. That’s the key issue, I think.

I'm a massive supporter of better funding for mum and baby foster placements.

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 19:38

MumoftwoNC · 24/08/2025 09:12

But I consider myself (socially) conservative. And for me part of that is the view that babies are best with their mum if possible. If it were up to me (obviously it's not and I have no expertise in this area) - we'd exhaust every other alternative before separating a newborn baby from their mum. If there's an abusive man in the house, lock him up! Every support we can possibly give - surely fostering is so expensive, we could deploy that money towards supporting the mum-baby dyad instead wherever possible.

I'm really reassured to read about the mother and baby facilities for teen mums that a pp mentioned. I'm going to try and read more about that.

I don't think snatching babies from their mums is a conservative thing. I don't know what politics it is but it doesn't feel conservative imo.

But if a woman is refusing to leave an abusive man, she's neglecting her children and putting them in danger. It know it's often v hard to leave. But if a woman can leave and isn't, she's choosing to put her dependent children in danger.

Rednorth · 07/09/2025 12:58

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 19:38

But if a woman is refusing to leave an abusive man, she's neglecting her children and putting them in danger. It know it's often v hard to leave. But if a woman can leave and isn't, she's choosing to put her dependent children in danger.

Whilst this case obviously wasn't in the UK, the impact of frontline service funding cuts, closure of Surestart centres etc have had a measurable effect on how much support a woman can access now to leave such environments. It's heartbreaking.

And not to get too political but the decimation of local authority budgets happened under the Tories... Stripping billions of pounds of funding to some of the most disadvantaged areas whilst increasing spending in many Tory Shire councils.

BarbarasRhabarberba · 07/09/2025 13:57

BasilPersil · 24/08/2025 07:27

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jun/29/controversial-danish-parenting-test-separated-greenlandic-mother-children

Here's their earlier story on it. The mother being Greenlandic is highly relevant as the assessments are disproportionately targeted at Greenlandic women.

This. It’s frankly ignorant to say “the article goes on and on about the woman’s ethnicity but it would be awful if it happened to anyone regardless of race” because it IS disproportionately happening to Greenlandic women who’ve been brutalised by the Danish for decades. First by colonisation then by forced contraception and sterilisation in the 70s (I think, not sure on actual dates). Greenlandic children were sent to residential schools in Denmark much like Native American and First Nations people were in the US and Canada. The ethics of the parenting test in Denmark and its effect on Danish mothers is an entirely different discussion.

Namitynamename · 09/09/2025 08:31

myplace · 24/08/2025 08:08

And even if they do, they may replace him with another abusive man. It happens.

But this case seems to be about cultural issues- at least that is part of it. There may be other underlying issues we aren’t aware of.

Some of the criticism could be seen as valid- communication style etc- but when culture is considered it’s not what it appears.

Years ago we were taught to be aware black boys avoiding eye contact were being respectful, not shifty. That ‘look at me when I’m talking to you!’, was not appropriate. The article hints at Greenlandic having different language norms, that facial expression is implicated in some way.

Maybe Greenlandic children don’t learn some Danish norms when they live in Greenlandic families. It could be handicapping them for a future living in Denmark. That was considered problematic and worthy of intervention. Obviously that’s no good reason to take them away.

I wonder what we’d do here if there was evidence that a cohort of DC weren’t learning English, and were hampered from future employment and independence as a result? Imagine if they are home educated so never get that opportunity. Would we intervene?

Greenlandic people are less expressive facially. Of course, because this is cultural it will be absorbed by the baby growing up in the way that all nuances in facial expression are. Eg we instinctively know what raising our eyebrows means but it means something different in Greece. I think this was almost interpreted as neglect/inability to interact correctly with babies. But it would be like Italian authorities removing children from Danish/English parents living there because they aren't capable of raising children with the correct level of expressiveness. But worse because you could argue English people shouldn't move to Italy if they can't mirror Italians correctly. Greenlandic people just are there. Plus actually removing the baby causes trauma/attachment issues in itself (which then leads to a new generation of children with issues etc.

Namitynamename · 09/09/2025 08:32

Sorry I should say less expressive facially on average. But it's a cultural thing.

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