Transwoman on women's ward

[Sallycinnamum]

Had a minor gynae procedure today but nevertheless was very anxious leading up to it.

Was wheeled back to the day ward to be greeted quite literally (started waving at me) by a transwoman in the bed opposite me.

There was no doubt he was a man and being completely immobile due to a spinal anaesthetic with no underwear on I asked the nurse to completely close the curtains so he couldn't look directly at me.

Spoke to a nurse who confirmed it wasn't a mixed ward.

I am so upset. I felt so vulnerable especially as I couldn't walk so had to pee into a bedpan in clear earshot of him.

I've emailed PALS but I feel so bloody fed up of it all. Had a man next to me in the M&S lingerie changing rooms a few weeks ago and was made to feel like a total bigot when I complained to the staff.

BS! The majority of transwomen do not pass at all. Not even on photos that are very photoshopped. People are just too polite to say it to their faces. Or they are afraid of male aggression and therefore choose to stay silent for their own safety.

She was without underwear - it's in the first post.

Now you are just being deliberately obtuse. Of course you can tell without a chromosome test

I still think it's absolutely hilarious that their new argument is that banning male people who wear women's clothes from women's toilets and changing rooms is going to result in inadvertently terfing out female people who wear men's clothes by mistake.

These two groups could not look less like each other if they tried.

See my post above where I explain the state in which women are returned to the ward.

Trans people think it's transphobic that someone looks at them and sees a man or woman and not the gender they present as.

I'll repeat what you said back to you: Goodness, imagine having another person look at you. How traumatic. 😶

No! That was the essence of the Supreme Court ruling - a GRC does not allow trans identifying men to access single sex spaces. Biological sex trumps a trans identity.

I don't fear transwomen but I have had a seemingly innocent conversation with a transwoman who obviously got aroused by the interaction and I don't want to be involved in strangers' immersive roleplay for their sexual gratification.

You do understand that the first rule of kink is to only involve others with their consent, right?

I mean, even if you can’t be arsed to read the fucking thread at least read the OPs posts before you make yourself look even more of a prat than you already have.

Frankly, the NHS don't seem that bothered about breaches -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nhs-england-hospitals-trusts-government-data-b2346383.html

I'd like to refer you to the point you made "living as a woman for 45 years". Therefore, she is a woman. You don't have to have surgery to be a trans woman. Therefore she is entirely entitled to be on that ward. No dispute. You are being very discriminatory.

I don’t think I have ever read anything so biased posed as an academic source of information.

He isn’t entitled to be on a woman’s ward, because he is a man. See the Supreme Court and basic reality.

There's an army of angry women standing behind you, OP, and I'm one of them. It's an absolute disgrace that this happened.

Why don't you respect that women are people too and have rights too? Why don't you educate yourself about those facts?

Why don't you have any empathy with OP at all?

Why are you on Mumsnet interacting with others you consider to be beneath you? Why can't you leave us alone?

I don’t think it’s that the nhs can’t be bothered when breaches have happened, when you work there you see the immense bed pressures day in day out. We often have to swap patients to different wards to accommodate making a bay male only for example when there’s only been 2 ladies in a 4 bedded bay cos that’s 2 beds lost otherwise. It doesn’t make it ok when breaches have happened so I’m not saying that don’t get me wrong

You’re the one being ridiculous if you think we can’t accurately sex adult human beings on sight

I've worn trousers for 45+ years, had short hair and worked for some time in the construction industry. It doesn't make me a man. XX chromosomes = woman. XY chromosomes = man. Doesn't matter what you wear or how you live. You are born with either male or female and you can't change your sex.

Fuck off, she saw his cock.

But it’s OK immobilised in a surgical gown with no pants on?

From your post it’s really obvious that you don’t have much life experience or knowledge of hospitals. That’s nice for you; but you’re making a bit of a fool of yourself. (You do know that patients aren’t fully dressed in hospital, often have to have a catheter or commode, and so a man opposite separated by a flimsy curtain might well be treated to the sound or view of a woman “on the loo”?)

Have you ever heard of dick pandering cunts?

What does ‘living as a woman’ mean, exactly?

Give over. We all know the difference.

"Outside of single sex spaces"? Are you kidding? Single sex spaces were created for women's safety!!! For our safety! What part of that don't you understand?