How are you women getting away with this???

[colourmystic]

Just joined after getting booted off a different forum site repeatedly for politely stating various facts and statistics. Facts like the 2022 Ministry of Justice data, showing that men who 'identify as female' are three times more likely to have been imprisoned for assaulting women and girls. You guys are allowed to criticise this stuff publicly? It's amazing!

Hats off to mn. I believe they’ve worked very hard to let us do that.

I know it's not your point but, 'are three times more likely to have been imprisoned for assaulting women and girls' than who?

Because the site is run by women

Pull up a chair @colourmystic, there's lots more to see.

Than other men.
And it's five times more likely actually.
https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/what-did-we-learn-from-the-census/

Welcome! You'll find a lot more discussion in the feminism: sex and gender forum too. There are very up to date posters with data at their fingertips, and good analysis of ongoing court cases/tribunals.

As far as I remember from previous threads it is that men in prison who identify as women are 8 times more likely than the rest of the male prison population to be convicted sex offenders. I know there is a very clear diagram on a couple of other threads - maybe someone more able to search MN than me can find it. The MN search function is hopeless.

And yes, MN have been brave in allowing discussion despite external threats.

Yes - on the sex and gender board. (This is the feminism board where we are not supposed to discuss this particular topic.)

Woah!

As someone who works in various prisons I can categorically tell you that the ones that identify as women are all peadophiles.

There may be a couple of rapists of adults in there but even that is pretty rare.

That’s not to say that all peadophiles identify as women because there are still many that don’t and are your every day ‘upstanding’ citizens.

And that’s not to say that everyone who identifies as a female is a peadophile and a risk to kids.

But there absolutely is a correlation.

Obviously often being attracted to children means mental health issues or developmental issues.
These are also the ones that are going to easily be influenced into thinking they are a woman.

For many it is also a way of diluting what they did and getting distance from it.
It wasn’t them (Chrissy) it was Christopher that did it.

It causes a lot of issues amongst prisoners because they get privileges that other prisoners don’t get.

@endofthelinefinally this 1

Mnhq have taken some big hits to ensure that we have been able to have these discussions. They have lost a lot of advertising revenue, and Justine (founder) has been Swatted, I believe.

That is the picture I was thinking of. Thank you

We’re magic. Obviously.

So technically we’re safer sharing our spaces with men than we are sharing them with trans women…

@Cucy can I ask what privileges they get that other prisoners don't? Don't worry if you can't answer. What you have said doesn't surprise me.

Well - when you look at those numbers...

Yes — hats off to Justine and MNHQ. She held the line (or threaded the needle), and the women of MN changed history. At least in the UK, and perhaps the whole common-law world.

Each prison is different but things like being allowed to buy clothes from different places, being allowed extra clothes packages, allowed to order make up, nail varnish and bras, being in single cells, showering separately etc

The prisons are so worried about being done for discrimination that they bend over backwards for them.

I’m not defending the other prisoners but when you go to prison for fraud or a wreckless one off action like drunk driving and then you find out someone who planned and abused a child multiple times is getting better treatment than you, it definitely creates huge tension.

And does that mean their crimes are recorded as having been committed by a woman?

No I don’t think so, they are in men’s prisons and so I assume they would be registered as men.

But from scanning something that someone posted up thread it said something about some people refusing to answer that question and so I wonder if the number is actually higher.

I’ve also lost count of how many newspaper articles I’ve said that says ‘her’ and a ‘woman’ and you find out that they are male and identified as male when they committed the crime and then they got caught and suddenly identifies as a woman, which must mess with the data.

But I don’t know if it affects the ‘official’ data but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Well, keep your stats accurate. It's perfectly possible to get reported and banned here, and this thread is heading that way.

I would say it is more that there is a group of unstable, violent, sexually driven men who also have an unstable sexual identity. Occasional women too.

If the campaigners had been willing to accept that this is a group that exists, and policymakers had thought through the implications of that, we might not have spent large chunks of the last 30 years going down rabbit holes.

Three times more likely to have been imprisoned for s.a'ing women or girls, than men who 'identify as male'. You know, the men we used to just call 'men'. Sorry, I've cited that so often I sometimes cut it short for brevity.

Which is why we're so pissed off. We weren't safe when we HAD single sex spaces, but to really keep us anxious, now we don't even have a ladies loo to go to. Just ranting.