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Feminism: chat

To think it's easier for men to manage staff, because of the patriarchal society we live in

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 21/04/2025 12:45

I was in two minds about where to post this. Feminism or AIBU.
Hear me out, I might be expressing this clumsily, but here goes:

Managing staff can be a struggle but I'm thinking men might have it easier because they don't have to earn the respect that women do, aren't seen as shrill or bossy etc.
To manage well your team need to trust and respect you but we start with zero or negative balance whereas men already have the capital because of society, in built misogyny.
It doesn't matter how good a manager you are, you're on the back foot because you don't have the capital that men automatically have, due to unconscious misogyny.
Just like at work or life in general, women have to work harder to be seen and have to strive to earn recognition. Same in management. Male direct reports don't like a woman leading and females don't need to please in the same way they unconsciously would If the manager is a man.
it's another example of how men have it easier.
I realised this over the weekend and now I can't unsee it. Fuck the patriarchy.

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YehRight · 13/05/2025 00:15

WaryCrow · 09/05/2025 21:46

Are you aware of male violence and the current increase?

Are you aware of the biggest DV study to date and the fact it found that women perpetrate slightly higher rates of partner abuse than men do?

It was a metastudy of 1700 peer reviewed studies and was conducted by over 100 academics from 20 international universities alongside the Advisory Board of the Association of Domestic Violence Intervention Programs.

  • Rates of female-perpetrated violence higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%)
  • Wide range in perpetration rates: 1.0% to 61.6% for males; 2.4% to 68.9% for women
  • Higher victimization for male than female high school students

But, yes, general male violence is increasing, with the majority of victims being male.

https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/

Domestic Violence Research – PARTNER ABUSE STATE OF KNOWLEDGE PROJECT (PASK): The world's largest domestic violence research data base, 2,657 pages, with summaries of 1700 peer-reviewed studies.

https://domesticviolenceresearch.org

HRTQueen · 13/05/2025 13:00

Yes I agree

I am a manager and of the six men I manage four struggle to take direction from me. Rarely issues with the women. One in particular is very passive aggressive but a flag waving feminist

shuggles · 25/05/2025 14:48

@Batmanisaplaceinturkey Managing staff can be a struggle but I'm thinking men might have it easier because they don't have to earn the respect that women do, aren't seen as shrill or bossy etc.

That's your perspective on female managers OP. It doesn't apply to the rest of us. I have worked with female managers who have been perfectly pleasant.

Sometimes though, whenever a person is insufferable, it's not because of sexism; sometimes they are actually just insufferable.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 25/05/2025 20:13

shuggles · 25/05/2025 14:48

@Batmanisaplaceinturkey Managing staff can be a struggle but I'm thinking men might have it easier because they don't have to earn the respect that women do, aren't seen as shrill or bossy etc.

That's your perspective on female managers OP. It doesn't apply to the rest of us. I have worked with female managers who have been perfectly pleasant.

Sometimes though, whenever a person is insufferable, it's not because of sexism; sometimes they are actually just insufferable.

Nobody said female managers are unpleasant. I'm saying sometimes it's harder work that's all, especially more so if you're brown too, which I didn't mention before but it may also be a factor.

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shuggles · 25/05/2025 20:57

@Batmanisaplaceinturkey You said; "they don't have to earn the respect that women do, aren't seen as shrill or bossy etc."

Again, if you see women as shrill or bossy, that's you. I don't see women that way. I have worked with some horrendously disgusting women who clearly have some kind of personality disorder. But equally, I have worked with men who are every bit as horrible. So I don't see bad management as a gender issue.

StMarie4me · 25/05/2025 21:10

Been a Manager since I was 19 in 1982. Only problem I ever had was public perception back then. Never had a staff problem.

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