Feminist one line retorts please

[OchreHedgehog]

Recently started dating a guy with right wing views. It probably won’t last, but I really, really fancy him so letting it run for the moment. (What is it about fancying the very type of men who form the group we know are the problem?! For another thread perhaps.)

He is intelligent, powerful, has the chat, body, sports car and beautiful clothes, old school attentive, is very very sexy etc. But, he comes off with things like “feminism has achieved everything it set out to” and “women are guilty of abusing men just as much as men abuse women”.

I know these things not to be true but I feel a bit tongue tied with him. And I don’t really want to delve into a deeply passion killing, university seminar-type discussion with him. I’d like a few short, pithy lines to deploy instead.

Can you suggest a few? And yes I know I should run a mile, but honestly if you saw him you’d know why I don’t want to atm!

Thank you! I appreciate ALL of your replies!

Laugh and say “oh dear, you really don’t know what you’re talking about do you? Never mind, don’t wear out that little brain trying to think big boy stuff, let’s just get a drink/go out/ shag/ watch Netflix…etc”

Other factoids to throw out -

men commit must of the violent and sexual crime but yeah, ok, women are ‘just as bad’? The maths doesn’t add up but whatever…

The whole world is designed for white men.

Women are disadvantaged by the power dynamic. You can’t compare the situation of men and women equally.

Yeah and how would you feel if that was your mum or sister?

Oh come on... 'It's ok for me to shag a man I know to be a misogynist because any of you posters might be living with one'. Really? You know you won't persuade him. It sounds like you can't even bring yourself to try. Arguably one of the only things that might persuade men like this that they are in the wrong would be if women consistently rejected them because of their views. Rather than shagging them anyway.

Yeah, I was thinking that too...

Hope you have a better retort than this woman on Dr Phil. She malfunctioned after what he said to her 😂

Well, there are some pretty embarrassing examples of 'feminism' out there tbf.

I mean if he's comparing the suffragettes campaigning for the vote to blue haired students moaning about microaggressions then it's kinda possible to see how he might have formed that opinion.

@OchreHedgehog (What is it about fancying the very type of men who form the group we know are the problem?! For another thread perhaps.)

Because you are addicted to conflict. You enjoy arguments and problems, rather than having peaceful and cooperative relationships with other people.

He is intelligent, powerful, has the chat, body, sports car and beautiful clothes, old school attentive, is very very sexy etc.

I felt embarassed reading this.

"Powerful"? What on earth does that mean? Does his body contain a battery or something?

"The chat"? You mean like the magazine?

"Sports car"? I thought cars were only machines for getting from A to B for everyone above the age of 14.

I couldn’t be arsed. I’d just say ‘Don’t be a dick.’

Seriously. Your description of him is making me picture David Hasselhoff, and if that’s not desiccating enough, he’s bringing in his Misogyny Lite - which is the version they display when they want to shag you.

Just imagine what his true thoughts are.

Interesting your "misogyny lite".
When they want to "shag" me I get "oh I'm a feminist, in fact I believe in superiority for women, when are you free?".

This is the right approach. See how he likes it.

As Margaret Atwood said, "Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them".

Less pithy but equally true, Germaine Greer said "Women have very little idea of how much men hate them." I thought at the time (1970s) that was a bit harsh. The last few years of the male supremacist trans movement campaigning against women's rights have opened my eyes to a reality I would rather not have to see.

I learned to put my knickers on really fast so that I could avoid pillow talk with this sort of chap.

If it was me, I would 100% school him and dump his ass- a man like that isn't sexy- he is just ew. I've said no to the most handsome men, some with alot of money just for their sexist or racist views.

What kind of father would a man like that make to my daughters if I have them, and if he has sexist views on women, he will 100% treat a woman with disrespect. He is literally saying this to your face by telling you what he thinks of women, ie You. He is telling you what he thinks of you to your face and you're letting it slide because he looks good? Alot of domestic abusers look handsome externally, would we still run after them?

So if you want to be disrespected by a man who likely doesn't even like women (sexist men don't like women so likely are not even into women much....) then go ahead.

I 100% agree. At the moment i'm living in a white area, it's a nice area, some nice people around but the men living on either side of me started stalking me hard, harrassing me daily and even voyeuring me through bathroom window, then when I gave them no response, decided to get around 30+ drunk white male patrons of the pub on the street to mob harrass me in groups, stalk me, call me racist names, insult me while stalking and fetishing me, checking out my ass when I walk. Their spouses and even one of their daughters got involved, adding to the racism and misogyny which is really sad to see.

It continues to this day, the police closed the case saying there is no evidence as all these racist sexually harrassing, obsessive and disgusting men covered for each other, the pub owner is involved and the police officer was a white male also.

This world is 100% designed for white men, it's on women to stand up against sexism no matter who the men are, and if they don't and join in/ agree then they're sexist too and part of the problem.

That's sickening, Lighttheway. Is there any kind of local community group, eg residents' association or Neighbourhood Watch, that you could join? I wish I could think of something useful.

How did things pan out @OchreHedgehog?

I don't know what you can say. There's probably nothing TO say.

Ha! i didnt realise this thread was still active. It was over a year ago I saw this guy and as I predicted myself, it didnt last! There was only so much I could take of him! Honestly though, theyre everywhere. And I seem to be like flypaper for them for some reason - which I should really give more thought to. Perhaps its because I have a senior job. I seem to attract the type who think they want to be part of a 'power couple' - like a checkout girl isnt for them because they respect women who are driven and confident (Im well beyond child bearing age and have no children so theyre not looking at my potential as a mother/ wife). But very quickly they show their true colours by obsessing over how they want to be the boss in the bedroom and show me and tell me what a 'slut/ whore/ insert whatever degrading descriptor you like' I really am. Theres always a lot of talk about "I bet no one has any idea what youre like behind closed doors". Well, yeh, I dont actually tend to talk about sex at work or display my sexual preferences in public to strangers. I mean, Im not trans 😂

They want an ornament that will boost their ego.

"Quiet piggy", might put them in their place.

I would definitely challenge him and ask where he gets his information from. But also be prepared to listen- some women underplay the serious problem with male depression and suicide and the fact that men are more likely to be assaulted than women. Of course, the people doing the assaulting are overwhelmingly more likely to be men!

When he says feminism has run its course, you could ask him to explain that. Then think about what feminism means to you. Obviously the oppression of women around the world is extremely serious but what do you want feminism to achieve now in the UK?

I would see this as an opportunity to develop and test your own ideas. Who knows, he may soften his approach when challenged. It’s worth a try! It’s good to explore our thinking with those we disagree with- there isn’t enough of this today.

Oh- just saw the update. Ignore everything I said, OP

Edited to delete my post, didn't realise it was a zombie

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