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Trans Literacies

44 replies

Alexa97 · 05/10/2024 10:04

To what extent is the concept of transgenderism used for bad? I'll mostly be focusing on "trans" women, as they encounter greater barriers than "trans" men (and cis women). We shouldn't call it being "trans" gender, because these people tend to be consistent in forming their gender and do not "transition".

As to fakers, well they don't keep it up for a lifetime - a man can more easily be abusive without pretending to be a woman, and he might be applauded for it... and if they did fake being a trans woman, poorly, they can say "trans" women are bad. It's so typical to say sexual issues are women's fault.

Trans women face greater sexual violence than cis women. I want to note that sexism is any discrimination on the basis of sex, and in the context of not respecting one's gender expression (or traits statistically associated with a certain sex) regardless of sex, it can be used against males by both females and males, perhaps equally sometimes; sexism is not about power itself, as males are not inherently superior (un-inherently I usually find them inferior) to females. Sexism by definition also applies to homophobia.

While ending all sexism is not a perfectly ethical thing, due to certain small biological differences (there are many differences statistically related to sex, and while there's not enough data on this subject, I don't believe most are inherent but rather a result of behaviors learned as a secondary result of socialization), the pros outweigh the cons because we can't let anti-trans beliefs slip in.

Honestly, cis women joke about having penises and testicles, so non-cis women, given what they go through, should be able to joke about having vaginas and ovaries... and uteruses and everything.

We need to change the culture of consent, as well, to always sensitively ask what gender expression one prefers, and to never assume one prefers a particular gender expression, since factors of coercion usually exist for gender expression - though this is more true for males, that they have less say over their gender expression.

I'm not denying the issues that men pose, rather I'm highlighting it as fact. And trans women are not men. Trans women face more dire versions of the issues regular women face, and with added othering from normative women.

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dementedpixie · 05/10/2024 10:10

Piss off with your CIS crap.

Trans women are male
Trans men are female
You can't change sex

Trans women face greater sexual violence than cis women - and this is nonsense too unless you have the statistics to prove it

TeamPolin · 05/10/2024 10:20

Oh sod off. Mumsnet is one of the few spaces where women can speak openly about the threat from having males in female spaces without being abused....

And, FYI, I'm not CIS, I'm a biological woman. How come trans women are allowed to define their own terminology and yet natal women get this 'cis' bollocks thrown at us and we're expected to tolerate it?

outdamnedspots · 05/10/2024 10:21

Is this a wind-up? 😂😂

PollyDactyl · 05/10/2024 10:23
Happy Cracking Up GIF

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RinklyRomaine · 05/10/2024 10:24

Trans women are men. Hth.

ODFOx · 05/10/2024 10:28

"Trans women face greater sexual violence than cis women "
My understanding is that this is not true in the UK at all, but worldwide is true because of the larger proportion of transwomen involved in sex work compared to the general population of women.
Violence against anyone is wrong. Transwomen should be allowed to get on with their lives. Women still need protection and privacy from male people in some circumstances.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 05/10/2024 10:28

Trans women face greater sexual violence than cis women

Do you have statistics for that? Plus a breakdown by sex worker status, Brazilian or otherwise?

Mochudubh · 05/10/2024 10:30

Is that you Judith? None of that made any fucking sense whatsoever.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 05/10/2024 10:31

cis women joke about having penises and testicles

Do they? Do you have examples?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 05/10/2024 10:32

Of course transwomen are men. What is the definition of a transwoman? Clue: you can't be a transwoman unless you are male.

lifeturnsonadime · 05/10/2024 10:35

Ah you are silly OP.

We all know that trans women are men.

Men will never face the same level of violence let alone sexual violence than women, not even if they feel like one and choose to wear 'women's clothes'.

And yes you can f* right off with your cis nonsense.

HaddyAbrams · 05/10/2024 10:35
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Dancingontheedge · 05/10/2024 10:36

Are two transwomen a week being killed in the UK?
Because that’s the statistics for women, and they are killed as an act of violence against their sex.
Even the Guardian newspaper recognises that, here’s an article that looks at 2024 up to August.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2024/mar/08/killed-women-count-a-project-highlighting-the-toll-and-tragedy-of-violence-against-women-in-the-uk

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/10/2024 10:41

dementedpixie · 05/10/2024 10:10

Piss off with your CIS crap.

Trans women are male
Trans men are female
You can't change sex

Trans women face greater sexual violence than cis women - and this is nonsense too unless you have the statistics to prove it

First post nails it, as so often.

Trans women face greater sexual violence than cis women.

Can anyone see my eyeballs? They seem to have rolled right out of my head.

ReadWithScepticism · 05/10/2024 17:15

Go home ChatGPT, you're drunk.

FranticFrankie · 05/10/2024 17:20

Of course transwomen- the very definition is a man identifying as a transwoman

SensibleSigma · 05/10/2024 17:21

Eem, where to begin?

Firstly, bollocks.

Oh wait, that’s probably enough.

SensibleSigma · 05/10/2024 17:22
Honey Boo Boo No GIF

Oh, and…

Enoughwiththisshit · 05/10/2024 17:33

I've rarely read anything as poorly expressed as this. Has to be a parody of Judith Butler, surely? If so, congratulations! 🤣

Freydo · 05/10/2024 17:37

Trans is a mental illness disguised as a civil rights movement.

The majority of trans ‘women’ are autogynephiles who are turned on by themself in ‘female’ costume.

So fuck off.

Abhannmor · 05/10/2024 17:47

Thought this was satire at first. Have you come from 2015?

CurlewKate · 05/10/2024 18:18

@Alexa97 "Trans women face more dire versions of the issues regular women face, and with added othering from normative women"

Do they? In what way to trans women face more dire versions of the issues regular face? Could you provide some examples?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/10/2024 18:20

Judith Butler, is that you? I can't make head nor tail of that gibberish.

Okayornot · 05/10/2024 18:35

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/10/2024 18:20

Judith Butler, is that you? I can't make head nor tail of that gibberish.

It's like if Judith and ChatGPT had a child.