Trans Literacies

[Alexa97]

To what extent is the concept of transgenderism used for bad? I'll mostly be focusing on "trans" women, as they encounter greater barriers than "trans" men (and cis women). We shouldn't call it being "trans" gender, because these people tend to be consistent in forming their gender and do not "transition".

As to fakers, well they don't keep it up for a lifetime - a man can more easily be abusive without pretending to be a woman, and he might be applauded for it... and if they did fake being a trans woman, poorly, they can say "trans" women are bad. It's so typical to say sexual issues are women's fault.

Trans women face greater sexual violence than cis women. I want to note that sexism is any discrimination on the basis of sex, and in the context of not respecting one's gender expression (or traits statistically associated with a certain sex) regardless of sex, it can be used against males by both females and males, perhaps equally sometimes; sexism is not about power itself, as males are not inherently superior (un-inherently I usually find them inferior) to females. Sexism by definition also applies to homophobia.

While ending all sexism is not a perfectly ethical thing, due to certain small biological differences (there are many differences statistically related to sex, and while there's not enough data on this subject, I don't believe most are inherent but rather a result of behaviors learned as a secondary result of socialization), the pros outweigh the cons because we can't let anti-trans beliefs slip in.

Honestly, cis women joke about having penises and testicles, so non-cis women, given what they go through, should be able to joke about having vaginas and ovaries... and uteruses and everything.

We need to change the culture of consent, as well, to always sensitively ask what gender expression one prefers, and to never assume one prefers a particular gender expression, since factors of coercion usually exist for gender expression - though this is more true for males, that they have less say over their gender expression.

I'm not denying the issues that men pose, rather I'm highlighting it as fact. And trans women are not men. Trans women face more dire versions of the issues regular women face, and with added othering from normative women.

"Transgender people (16+) are victimized over four times more often than cisgender people." https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

Oh fucking hell it's you again. Have you seriously just posted on a feminist board that trans women are sexually assaulted more than real women? Are you fucking kidding me. Oh my god people like you give me the rage, I can't even 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

What is this? Is it lifted from somewhere? The first paragraph was enough to put me off reading the rest.

If trans people are "victimised" so much more often than people without gender identities, why are they murdered so much less often?

@Alexa97 I'd be interested to see more details of that survey. The definition of "victimization" seems very broad. And the extract you give does not detail how the data is gathered.

What I always look for, but again can't find, is who are the perpetrators of the crimes.

This study, from 2017-18, syas male people are at higher risk than female people. But from whom? We all know male people are at a higher risk because other male people are violent against them. So do the findings fit into that pattern?

And if so, why should women be the people to solve male violence? You can't say well male people are violent against male people so these male people need access to female spaces? That just hides the problem and worsens it.

Also with regard to the teens, how much of that is caused by the overall narrative that if a family doesn't immediately affirm, they will never accept you and the teen should leave and find their glitter family? That narrative, driving through wedge between the teen and their parents and siblings, makes the teen so vulnerable these statistics don't surprise me. But the solution is to stop driving the wedge, not by telling women to shut up about sexism.

Your whole speech about sexism is not down to sex is btw sexism to the extreme

The NCVS (national crime victim survey) is a self-reported survey and completely subjective. I don't think anyone is surprised that trans people are far more likely than others to claim to be victims.

When "victimising" includes women saying "no I won't be part of your regressive wank fantasy" to men I think you can start to see where JudithGPT got it's opinions from.

As you're so concerned about violence experienced by transwomen, OP, I assume you're staunchly against the notion of sex work?

Is this ChatGPT or a human on glue?

Reads as AI.

Why resurrect this thread? Just let it sink again.

It was bad first time round - rereading it I can't imagine why I engaged with it.

I don’t understand your first sentence so I gave up there.

I have watched people shift from publically identifying as men to identifying as trans women.

Before transition, they were very typical obnoxious males: loud, overly confident, self-centred, often badly dressed, sometimes sexually inappropriate. However rather than the most stereotypical male interests like boisterous sport and copious beer-drinking they were instead into nerdy things like videogames and science fiction - still very male-dominated areas. Sometimes they were gay.

After transition they were basically exactly the same except for their clothes and talking incessantly about how much more oppressed they were than anyone else. The badly dressed ones came to resemble a cross between Dame Edna and a troll.

I don't think they were "faking it", not more than anyone else anyway. But the idea of a consistent underlying lifelong femininity is laughable, unless you're the kind of moron who thinks sci-fi and liking men means you aren't a real boy and must therefore be a girl instead.

They're victimised because they stand out. Are they victimised more than other people who stand out? In plenty of areas dressing in any way differently from what's normal will make you a target, whether you're in opposite sex clothing or an evening suit or a superhero costume or even just the wrong football shirt. The kind of twat who goes round abusing people in the street probably won't confine himself to trans people: other plausible targets include goths, gingers, the unusually short etc etc.

That was a lot of words OP, but it's a no thankyou from me.

ChstGPT on glue?

This x 100

the overall narrative that if a family doesn't immediately affirm, they will never accept you and the teen should leave and find their glitter family? That narrative, driving through wedge between the teen and their parents and siblings, makes the teen so vulnerable
This, from sanluca above.
OP have you ANY IDEA how much damage and harm is caused by your self righteous spouting of a nonsense.

Surely that string of inanities can only have been produced by AI?