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Muslim basketball player can't play at the Olympics

55 replies

cupcaske123 · 26/07/2024 11:44

A French basketball player who has been training in the US, has been banned from taking part in the Olympics because she wears a hijab.

There are so few Muslim women in sport, now this ban makes it impossible for those few to take part.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/articles/c4ng5k15pzyo

Basketball player Diaba Konate in UC Irvine kit and wearing a hijab

Paris 2024 Olympics: France hijab ban criticised by athletes

How France's ban on the hijab affects athletes, including an Olympic prospect who will be watching from the sidelines.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/articles/c4ng5k15pzyo

OP posts:
murasaki · 26/07/2024 11:48

It's ridiculous, but the French are sticking with it. Other nationalities can wear hijab while competing, but no French athletes. So they would rather sabotage their team and deny women potentially life changing opportunities than suspend their law for a month.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/07/2024 11:49

Ffs.
Why can't authorities in various countries butt out of deciding what women can and can't choose to wear?
It's appalling that women are forced to wear the hijab in some countries, but it's also bad for a country to insist that they can't.

horseymum · 26/07/2024 11:52

Or permanently? I'm cross that some women are forced to wear a hijab but also cross they are not allowed to.

Simonjt · 26/07/2024 11:52

Good on her for sticking to her principles

AlwaysFreezing · 26/07/2024 11:53

When will the obsession with what women wear wear off? Why do people care so much? Weird.

Willsean · 26/07/2024 11:53

The whole issue though is about what people would rather do.

The athlete herself chose to begin wearing her hijab elsewhere, having previously not worn one. All religious symbols would have been included in the French system.

She literally says she's not 'just a Muslim'. If she's also a French Olympic basketball player, she could choose to compete without, as her religion doesn't require her to wear it.

usernamealreadytaken · 26/07/2024 12:05

What she wears is a choice; it's not a requirement of her religion although I understand it's encouraged in some circles.

If an athlete chose to wear any other item of clothing which was inappropriate then they would not be able to compete. Remove the religious element, and she's simply an athlete wearing the wrong clothing and is not being allowed to compete.

When we went on holiday to France we were told that men and boys must wear speedo-type swimming trunks, not loose shorts, or they would not be allowed to swim. Bit weird to us, but we wore the right clothing, and were allowed to swim.

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 26/07/2024 12:06

cupcaske123 · 26/07/2024 11:44

A French basketball player who has been training in the US, has been banned from taking part in the Olympics because she wears a hijab.

There are so few Muslim women in sport, now this ban makes it impossible for those few to take part.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/articles/c4ng5k15pzyo

CRAZY! No reason at all to not let her wear it. How pathetic. Poor lass. Sad

StaunchMomma · 26/07/2024 12:10

So pointless and heavy handed.

murasaki · 26/07/2024 12:10

The clothing isn't inappropriate for the sport, there are sports hijabs that lots of other athletes will be wearing.

cupcaske123 · 26/07/2024 12:32

murasaki · 26/07/2024 12:10

The clothing isn't inappropriate for the sport, there are sports hijabs that lots of other athletes will be wearing.

Yes women are allowed to wear hijabs in the Olympic village so France has made that concession.

OP posts:
Standingchair1 · 26/07/2024 13:37

any person who places such massive importance on wearing a specific item of clothing must have been severely brainwashed as a child.

Westcott313 · 26/07/2024 13:40

Standingchair1 · 26/07/2024 13:37

any person who places such massive importance on wearing a specific item of clothing must have been severely brainwashed as a child.

It's not just a piece of clothing. It's an act of obedience to God.

ouch321 · 26/07/2024 13:48

Westcott313 · 26/07/2024 13:40

It's not just a piece of clothing. It's an act of obedience to God.

But not for men eh?

And if you genuinely believe that's fine, how can you have respect for, and want to please, a god that is so obviously misogynistic?

I saw two children sitting on a bus luggage rack the other day. The bus was jammed so the mum hoisted the two kids to sit up there. One a boy, one a girl. The girl had a hijab on. Her legs were so short they only came half way down the luggage rack. She must have been 7 at the max. So depressing.

idontwannabeanythingotherthanwhativebeentrynabe · 26/07/2024 14:14

Absolutely pointless assholery.
Let women wear what they want and play their sports in peace.

Grandmasswagbag · 27/07/2024 09:34

I came here to start a thread about this. I'm absolutely enraged! Why isn't there more fuss about this? I thought it was a bloody cheek to have a whole section in the ceremony last night about how welcoming France is to refugees. Absolutely staggering.

Lemonyfuckit · 01/08/2024 23:06

FFS. So a female athlete can't compete in a women's event, but fine for a person who failed a 'gender test' at the world championships to compete in a women's event.

Omlettes · 02/08/2024 05:23

cupcaske123 · 26/07/2024 11:44

A French basketball player who has been training in the US, has been banned from taking part in the Olympics because she wears a hijab.

There are so few Muslim women in sport, now this ban makes it impossible for those few to take part.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/articles/c4ng5k15pzyo

While men can fight in womens boxing.
All very logical and consistent 2+2=5
Everyone is just making it up as they go along

Aussieland · 02/08/2024 05:29

ouch321 · 26/07/2024 13:48

But not for men eh?

And if you genuinely believe that's fine, how can you have respect for, and want to please, a god that is so obviously misogynistic?

I saw two children sitting on a bus luggage rack the other day. The bus was jammed so the mum hoisted the two kids to sit up there. One a boy, one a girl. The girl had a hijab on. Her legs were so short they only came half way down the luggage rack. She must have been 7 at the max. So depressing.

Men absolutely have various clothing/appearance requirements in several religions not just women (including Islam).
If women choose to wear hijab it makes zero difference to the olympics and a lot of difference to them. Allowing that would do a whole lot more for ensuring a more comfortable society where women feel welcome

LightFull · 02/08/2024 05:34

She really doesn't need to wear it to play her sport

Some people just love a bit of drama

ErrolTheDragon · 02/08/2024 08:27

And the French didn't 'need' to ban her from wearing it.

I'm not clear what the rules are in france about 'religious symbols'. I was curious about what applied in the case of Sikh dastars and found this which indicates that the ban on religious symbols only applies within state schools, apart from burqa on security grounds.

in.ambafrance.org/No-ban-on-turbans

I think this stance followed legal cases. Has this changed or are there restrictions beyond schools? Does the same generally apply to headscarves (not a face-covering burqa/niqab) ?
. I don't suppose it's likely france has any Sikh Olympians as it's a tiny minority there but it'd be interesting to see how the authorities would respond.

Kriscross · 02/08/2024 09:06

Westcott313 · 26/07/2024 13:40

It's not just a piece of clothing. It's an act of obedience to God.

Act of obedience to God? I thought it was NOT a requirement in the Quran? Some women in Iran are refusing it because its more about what men use to repress than to be obedient to a particular god.

yoteyak · 02/08/2024 09:54

Think of the origin of laïcité in France. Religion - in the shape of Christianity - colluded with aristocracy in oppressing the people. Hence Diderot, "Et ses mains ourdiraient les entrailles du prêtre,/Au défaut d’un cordon pour étrangler les rois." ('And his hands would plait the priest's entrails, for want of a rope to strangle the kings', often simplified to "Strangle the last king with the guts of the last priest".) And, well, 1789; "Allons enfants ...!"

OK, not so violent nowadays. But a ban on public religious practice and symbols takes the place of that in enforcing the shutting-out of (essentially oppressive) religion from public life and society.

Now, of course religion still oppresses. Although there is a complicated mix of respect for autonomy, counters to historical and imperialism-based racism and so on and so on, it is undeniable that many religions - in particular the Abrahamic - are sexist to their patriarchal socks. And the French ban on oppressively-based sexism-determined clothing says, simply, "This State - our commonwealth - is thoroughly and definitively against such oppression and sexism".

Where should we stand on this? We are against sexist oppression. But we are in favour of personal autonomy. So something of a dilemma, indeed. Is it possible to be anti-racist, anti-sexist, and still in favour of personal autonomy in the light of such historical and continuing oppression? Of course. But (tldr:) it's complicated. Tricky, like much ethical choice.

ErrolTheDragon · 02/08/2024 10:23

As a feminist and card-carrying secular humanist where I stand is that men and man-made institutions - whether religions or the state - should quit telling women what to wear and what not to wear.

PeachSnake · 02/08/2024 10:26

French law, sovereign country, when in Rome do as Rome does, it's their matter not ours...

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