Muslim basketball player can't play at the Olympics

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A French basketball player who has been training in the US, has been banned from taking part in the Olympics because she wears a hijab.

There are so few Muslim women in sport, now this ban makes it impossible for those few to take part.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/articles/c4ng5k15pzyo

100% agreed!

I am not a Muslim so apologies to anyone if I have got this wrong but my understanding is that The Quran requires that both men and women dress "modestly" and some people feel that this means in a non showy way rather than covering themselves up. Having said that I do know Muslim men who will not wear shorts.
Anyway, if the only way this women feels she can compete is to wear a headscarf then why not?
I don't really like Hijab and find what it says awful, ie that women are responsible fro men looking at them and their thoughts but I also believe in choice

I despair- child rapists allowed, male competing in women's boxing fine, but no to a hijab?

Racists!

So you don’t want a woman to be allowed to take part in a womans event?

Which man is competing in the womens boxing?

Which man is competing in the womens boxing?

2 males who have a DSD who were banned from a previous championship - XY chromosomes and presumably not CAIS. They're males even if they were (in a rare accurate use of the term 'assigned female at birth'.

OK. Agreed. But there is still something of a difficulty. As follows.

Some men (and women) say women should wear certain kinds of clothes - covering hair, for example - because god says ... . Some women are convinced by this.

Other men (and women, again) say women should not wear those kinds of clothes, because it's a sign of oppression; it's sexist. ... Some women are convinced by this.

Yes, both sets of men should stop telling women what to wear. But meanwhile, should a woman follow what the first set say, or what the second set say?

Suppose the woman to be religious: which male diktat should she follow: the (sexist, oppressive) religious one or the (anti-sexist, anti-oppressive) secular one? Suppose a secular society: which of the two male diktats should a woman follow?

-- And why?

[I note it's not an answer to say, "Whichever she chooses", because the question asks which she should choose.]

Actually, there is a reason. France is a secular country and religious symbols are not allowed in public spaces. This is the law for French citizens. She is French therefore she should respect and follow this law.

You are confusing the French law of laicity ( no religious signs) and the rules of the Olympic committee ( the child rapist and the boxer). Two different things.
Are all French racists? Please don't make sweeping generalisation about a nationality because it could be seen at being racist itself. I am French and I abhor racism.

But meanwhile, should a woman follow what the first set say, or what the second set say?

She shouldn't 'follow' either set, she shouldn't be subject to male diktats. Obviously, as I'm an atheist the first option seems to me to be an irrational choice, but that's not really the point here. I don't really know what you're driving at.

France is a secular country and religious symbols are not allowed in public spaces. This is the law for French citizens.

I'm puzzled - I can find references to religious symbols specifically not being allowed in French public schools, but not a general prohibition of them in public spaces. Are you saying a French nun can't appear in public in her habit and veil, no one can wear a cross?

I might have imagined it but I thought there was a court case about a french civil servant wearing a cross.

Apparently so. A French nun can't wear her habit.

. A French nun can't wear her habit.

Unless things have changed since 2019, yes she can

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/french-nun-france-secularismnn_5dd6cb8be4b0fc53f20ff6bb

But a civil servant can't wear a cross:
^ ...France’s rules about the concept apply only to public servants and not to the general public^

I wouldn't have thought an Olympic athlete was 'a public servant'.

This. Took the words out of my mouth.

I can't read your article but I believe that nuns aren't allowed to wear their habits on the beach.

I can't read your article but I believe that nuns aren't allowed to wear their habits on the beach.

Hm... looks like there was a furore in 2016 when some mayors banned burkinis from beaches, and then doubled down that nuns couldn't wear habits either. As far as I can see this ended in a ruling that overturned the bans for 'violating basic freedoms'

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/burkini-ban-cannes-latest-overturned-french-court-rules-violates-basic-freedoms-a7216901.html

Does France allow Jewish men to wear kippuh (sp) and Sikh men to wear turbans and little swords (apologies I can't temper the name of them)?

If not then it's not ideal, but ultimately fine given they apply the same rules to everyone.

If they do allow it, they are complete hypocrites and the rules should be reversed.

So you don’t want a woman to be allowed to take part in a womans event?

I don't want a person who was not allowed to compete in the women's event at the world championships on the basis that they have XY chromosomes, competing in the women's event in the Olympics, no.

I agree with this.

I also think that the French Islamic separatist law has gone too far, although I get why Macron wants to ensure that Muslims integrate with non-Muslims. It's France's principle of secularism, or laïcité, isn't it?

Exactly. A load of baloney. There are symbols or Catholicism and Christianity all over the place in France. Not all a french people are racist obviously but as a state it's obvious France is pretty racist.

There are symbols or Catholicism and Christianity all over the place in France.
What do you mean?
it's obvious France is pretty racist.
You mean as much as England? As far as I know, my compatriots are not attacking mosques and rioting in the streets at the moment unlike in London, Sunderland and Southport. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones ( pun intended),

People saying that it’s a woman’s choice to wear the hijab. Is it really? They may seem to choose but I don’t believe it’s a free choice away from expectation/cultural approval/society. If so why don’t men do it? The more I have thought about it the more I see it as a sign of oppression. I wish we banned it in the UK.

edited for spelling error

It's not racist, it's a sovereign decision to not allow religious symbols in anything connected to the state. There are church's, mosques all over France, you can walk around as a Nun, or Sikh, or Orthodox Jew in any attire you wish, yo can wear a hijab. But if you go into a police station, or county hall, or represent France in sport, you cannot display religious symbols.

It's contradictory. I was given to believe that the Qur'an says that there's no compulsion in religion. I also know Muslims who don't wear the Hijab and a friend of mine, who's a revert says it was a personal choice.

The article says that Kenate chose to wear the Hijab and had never worn it when she played in France. However, in reality I believe there is pressure to wear it from family and society and of course in places like Iran it's the law.

Regarding why men don't wear it. It's because of modesty and chastity and men aren't valued on their chastity.