How can we stop all this? It's really upsetting me

[0scopo]

www.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/10/children-now-biggest-perpetrators-of-sexual-abuse-against-children

I wish the feminists here cared more about this stuff than the trans debate. I think it's much more of a risk to our girls and young women. I am so worried about my two young girls. It's not just that these boys watch it and might try it out but that they grow into men who are wired to be sexually excited by awful violent stuff. How can we stop it?

Ban phones with Internet access until children are 16

What an odd post.
The sexualisation of children is a large part of why so many women are upset about the current insanity of gender in our schools. Why do you think caring about gender mean we don't care about rape?

Interesting your first point of attack is towards feminists. What makes you believe feminists care more about trans than the sexualisation of children, or that those two things aren’t linked.

Have you seen the numerous threads about how to make sure school PHSE lessons cover consent, and don't normalise or expose children to inapproriate material?

Or the even larger number about ensuring safety, privacy and.dignity in school toilets and during PE changing?

And the regular mentions of stats on assault in schools, and how to stop it?

No?

Is that because you are brand new here and your first post is you engaging with the debate for the first time?

It’s almost as if it’s possible to care about more than one thing at once.

There obviously should be a crackdown on violent porn.
Particularly, internet providers and social media platforms should be held accountable and prosecuted for distributing to minors. Jailed, not just fined ideally. There are practical difficulties in a global system.

But I don't see why some of it is allowed at all in a supposedly civilized society. There are limits to freedom of speech around incitement to violence - isn't this normalising vile violence and making it much more prevalent?

Why do you think feminists care more about the trans issue?
This is a very goady post.
A quick search will show numerous posts about this very issue.

Christ, I can't imagine a feminist on the planet whose main concern isn't the sexual abuse and exploitation of girls and young women. The power of male entitlement and violence - and the toxicity our boys are being exposed to - is the reason we fight for our rights and those of our daughters.
The whole reason we worry about the trans issue is the pervasive nature of males infiltrating our spaces and claiming membership of the female sex. It's frightening that we're expected to roll over and accept this further incursion.
Our priority is the safety of girls and women from men.
Full stop.

And as for your comment about all the ‘trans stuff’. Do you think that the eradication of women only spaces such as school toilets conteibutes to the risks facing girls and young women? The introduction of ‘gender neutral’ facilities that allow boys to enter spaces where girls are especially vulnerable? Or the rise of unofficial self-id where just about anyone that feels like they might be female can enter any space they choose?
You honestly don’t feel that it’s all connected?

I wish the feminists here cared more about this stuff than the trans debate.

How are you establishing the levels of care other people feel? It seems to be a flawed method.

I've seen most posters here despair of such things. We need to be clear-eyed and focused if we are going to fight it. What do you suggest @0scopo would be helpful in terms of trying to stop it? Getting laws changed, changing how we enforce what we have, more agencies and/ or police funding, better education for kids and parents?

Its all connected.
The 'feminists' have a lot to deal with.
Hth

The literature I have seen that 'educates' children about gender identity also promotes sexualisation of children
It's all part of the same push. Queer theory in action

Men and boys do bad stuff.

OP blames feminists. FFS.

Maybe if the OP genuinely wants a constructive discussion she could start another thread with a more constructive tone?

That’s what I see as well. Queer Theory has some very disturbing roots, and doesn’t seem to distinguish between norms that should be questioned and norms that have very good reasons. Everything needs to be ‘queered’, including protections for children.

This will only stop when people stop having kids. Sad but true. Young girls unlucky enough to be growing up now, encourage them to research feminist literature and the history of female oppression. Hopefully they'll learn to be wary of men and see through all the lies women are fed, actively seek out financial independence and their own place to live. The pervasive and widespread availability of porn is not an accident, it's a form of social control. It's dehumanising - think about who benefits from that. If you don't care about your fellow man, you don't care what happens to him. 'when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me'

Also very telling how other comments are defensively focused on a perceived criticism in the original comment. There is far more visible dialogue in the press etc re trans ideology, this is also a deliberate and effective method of directing people away from other issues which require real action, like dealing with the appalling rape conviction rate in the UK - currently less than 1% - or that approximately 2 women a week die as a result of domestic violence. The trans rhetoric is part of a feminist backlash, but the original comment doesn't dispute that, the comment is a perceived observation, but this has been seized on as some kind of unreasonable criticism. Women make up half of the human population, and will therefore hold a wide variety of beliefs, but we will only achieve liberation when we put aside those differences and unite as women.

What are you doing about it OP? What steps are you taking to tackle it?

Maybe she's asking for help because she doesn't know? Let's be real, when people have kids this is not the issue at the front of their mind, they imagine a cute baby and plan to repeat their own childhood - after all that's the only experience they know. Surely the whole point of this forum is for support and how to deal with unprecedented issues, and for solidarity? Why is the OP dismissed because she made a comment about the focus on trans issues? This post is not an attack it's a plea

Weird way to discuss this topic. Derailed immediately.

Let’s blame feminists for male sexual violence. Great idea. It’s definitely feminists’ fault! 🙄🙄

What a depressingly patriarchal way to introduce a discussion of the issue.

Well you can work on more than one issue at once.

But also it’s all linked.

No one has to stop caring about an issue because it upsets you. If you can’t understand how it’s all linked that’s on you.

Well it’s a bit like she’s come here to berate feminists for not sorting it out. I’m just wondering what practical steps she’s taking. Or is this it? Mobilise the MN task force by telling people off for focusing on other concerns?

I don’t think it was derailed. It doesn’t even look like the OP wanted to discuss he issue of sexual violence perpetrated by boys. This thread is clearly about complaining about feminists.

And based on some weird idea that the faceless mass that is ‘feminists’ can and must only focus on a single issue.

Because op is trying to dictate what women should vocalise about because of her personal emotional reaction.

Instead of looking at the issues, really looking at the issues driving this. And looking, properly, at why women are concerned she asking for people to stop it because THIS upsets her.