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So... women being top of the charts is... wait for it... bad for feminism.

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JadziaD · 05/01/2024 14:28

This article has annoyed me so much. Here are all the reasons why, apparently, female pop starts, particularly ones at the top of the charts, are BAD for feminism. :

1 because these top pop stars are YOUNG women, it's because they're "easier" to market, so it's excluding older women. BAD feminism.

2 Thes women are signed by major labels. The argument here is fuzzy, but I think it is basically that they're easy to market and the labels throw lots of money at it so that's why they're successful (oh, with the implication that labels like women because they're more biddable).

3 this girl power and empowerment is FAKE and also, it makes young girls think that everything is FINE when it's not.

4 My favourite: female pop wave could be "fuel for misogynists".

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/053a453c-4358-49f6-8444-a9d87e1195b1?shareToken=cb1ec8df09ec501689cc6b631e0e46a8

Women dominating the charts is no victory for feminism

The reign of stars such as Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo and Miley Cyrus obscures the true story, argues Will Hodgkinson

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/053a453c-4358-49f6-8444-a9d87e1195b1?shareToken=cb1ec8df09ec501689cc6b631e0e46a8

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tabulahrasa · 06/01/2024 11:55

User135644 · 06/01/2024 08:56

I like Taylor a lot but I know a lot of her material is usually centered around her latest relationship. Musically and lyrically I think she's fab.

A lot of these other artists aren't to my taste but if they're just singing about men and sex all the time then it's not necessarily empowering. There is more to life. I prefer music that's a bit deeper.

They’re not though... someone’s already listed a load of Taylor swift songs that aren’t, there are more, but another list doesn’t add much.

Miley Cyrus’ last song was literally about aging...

I mean, do I think the music industry is hugely misogynistic? Yes... Do I think that some women are currently doing well changes that...no.

But, I don’t think dismissing women in their thirties as young is a particularly valid view.

Abhannmor · 06/01/2024 20:02

This piece was written by a man. But Lauren O Neill's article in the Guardian was equally....strange. Essentially, Taylor Swift bestrides the universe like a Collossus. Add Beyoncé , Madonna, Billy Eilish and women have completely dominated popular music this century.
Yet the second part of the article is quite negative. Women were historically exploited and had no artistic control etc.There might be an argument to be had about what kind of women become hugely popular and mega rich - still usually conventionally attractive. Writing your own songs was supposed to liberate you from these stereotypes. Does streaming / pirating make that harder? Awaiting a more intelligent take on this.

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