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Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?

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Cambridgebunz · 07/11/2023 09:26

Liz Fraser boldly claims across all mediums that she aims to help all women live their best lives. However, there are suggestions, allegations, and evidence to the contrary.

What are your thoughts on the validity of her recent postings in the realm of domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running, holistic wellbeing and more, as a self-promoted "influencer"?

Keep your thoughts wholesome, relatable and current to her most recent postings. Do not mention ex-partners or her children by name. This discussion is to better understand the objective of and validity behind her “work” and words.

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Tortiemiaw · 23/11/2023 22:17

More like hush puppies. Oh dear oh dear

MademoiselleÉtoile · 23/11/2023 22:51

First time poster here. I had the dubious pleasure of travelling by train from Cambridge to London with our Liz. Although I was a regular commuter for a number of years, she wasn't , but I saw (and heard) her in action on several occasions. Being a few years younger than her and taller/slim I was regularly gifted with many a side eye. Skittish, girly chat and laughter was saved exclusively for my fellow male travellers. Hindsight is a perfect science, and looking back so much makes a lot of sense now.
Is anyone convinced that this new relationship is even real? She has shown that she is capable of many a fantasy, whether it involves work, her health or her enduring "friendships." She seems to have removed her two jackets flirting on a stair case post from Twitter. I was wondering if I may have imagined this big announcement in a fever dream? It coincided exactly with a posting of M being 4 years sober. Hmmmmm.

RhinoRhino · 24/11/2023 07:03

Must admit, @MademoiselleÉtoile, I was wondering if the 'I'm in a relationship' post was similar to the 'I got the job' posts. Not all it seems.

Although, tbf, Ms Fraser will be in a relationship. Like all of us, she'll be in many relationships. Family relationships with her family, cordial (we hope) relationships with the people who work at various coffee shops in Oxford, and maybe competitive relationships with other Parkrunners. Maybe that's what she meant, and any misinterpretation on the part of the cleaners is NOT HER FAULT (because nothing ever is). Just because there was a photo of two coats. By the stairs.

I think it would be nice for her if she does manage to find a happy romantic relationship with somebody who is available. That's one of the benefits of a relationship ending: both parties are then free to move on and find somebody else. (Preferably without any carping and jealousy from the ex, although it doesn't always work like that .......)

Umbrellaisback · 24/11/2023 09:54

Two jackets announcement has vanished from Instagram too

OffendedScot · 24/11/2023 10:31

Well this aged quickly, unless S wears massive yellow shoes (not running shoes, note).

Liz Fraser breaks down in tears ahead of her daughter's fourth birthday Liz Fraser feks off ahead of her daughter's sixth birthday

https://mol.im/a/10238163#v-2458374105196806973

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GinnyWoolf · 24/11/2023 10:35

That whole 'show me your daughter without showing me your daughter' thing this morning is ridiculous. It's just another excuse to put pictures of herself up!

Diamondstars · 24/11/2023 12:28

And, a quick shout out to all of you out there who follow me because I promised to advocate for victims of domestic violence, especially my sistas in prison, those of you broken by years of financial abuse and of course, those of you unable to make ends meet due to the cost of living crisis. I'm sending this message from my second home in Venice, during my 9th/10th holiday this year. #thiscouldbeyouifyoutriedharder #Dolcevitasuckers

SundayNight · 24/11/2023 12:30

Daughter? Oh them. Outta site outta mind.

Raffington55 · 24/11/2023 14:29

Diamondstars · 24/11/2023 12:28

And, a quick shout out to all of you out there who follow me because I promised to advocate for victims of domestic violence, especially my sistas in prison, those of you broken by years of financial abuse and of course, those of you unable to make ends meet due to the cost of living crisis. I'm sending this message from my second home in Venice, during my 9th/10th holiday this year. #thiscouldbeyouifyoutriedharder #Dolcevitasuckers

.... oh and a shout-out to all of you who have financed my holidays this year! I've gone from cap-in-hand broke and mysteriously close to death to endless trips abroad. Isn't that marvellous! Sorry about the cash. I'm sure you'll all get by!

Intriguedbythis · 24/11/2023 14:41

how bizarre to make a public announcement about a new relationship (she said love as well didn’t she?) and then remove it… why ?

  1. didn’t ever exist?
  2. he got scared off?
  3. it was the coat of an unavailable man?
Tina221 · 24/11/2023 18:20

Thank you for this thread. I was blocked by Liz just for clicking on the follow her button on instagram. She should repay money she asked for. I cannot see where she has helped any women with her advice and from what I’ve seen she just talks about herself constantly.

thelisad · 24/11/2023 18:49

She's really done a number on this one too. 😔 He has no idea who she really is.

Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
Mortonswood · 24/11/2023 20:51

What first attracted 31 year old Mike DICKS to clearly vulnerable 24 year old Liz Fraser?

They should have got together! He’s another one with a fantasy media career and a grid full of selfies and clearly not giving a damn for anyone but himself. How do I know this? Well, if he did care, he would have turned up even just once in the last 25 car crash years of her life. But no, despite her chronicling the HORRORS, he’s just another great friend who left her to be abused by man after man.

What a Dick he is.

Umbrellaisback · 25/11/2023 09:32

I find it curious that until recently so many posts were about her being an exemplary mother, this is how we do it, we do everything together, this is how it’s always been, me and her as a team etc and now it’s like S who? Not even a mention of her birthday, even if custody arrangements meant they were not together on the day. There was a throwaway mention of a party last weekend but it wasn’t clear if that was for S or S was simply attending someone else’s. But given ‘gatherings’ L has hosted in the past ie drinks in the garden with the airbnb lodger warranted lots of photos you’d think a snap of a bowl of crisps or a cake would have made at least a story. I guess this ‘important’ trip to Venice has overshadowed everything else. Even Gatwick got two separate grid posts for that

Shortbread49 · 25/11/2023 10:26

I think her ex has done something to prevent her putting on photos of their daughter on social media might be linked to the comment about complaints about her twitter

Raffington55 · 25/11/2023 10:40

Umbrellaisback · 25/11/2023 09:32

I find it curious that until recently so many posts were about her being an exemplary mother, this is how we do it, we do everything together, this is how it’s always been, me and her as a team etc and now it’s like S who? Not even a mention of her birthday, even if custody arrangements meant they were not together on the day. There was a throwaway mention of a party last weekend but it wasn’t clear if that was for S or S was simply attending someone else’s. But given ‘gatherings’ L has hosted in the past ie drinks in the garden with the airbnb lodger warranted lots of photos you’d think a snap of a bowl of crisps or a cake would have made at least a story. I guess this ‘important’ trip to Venice has overshadowed everything else. Even Gatwick got two separate grid posts for that

Well that was probably to get at her ex. Nothing to do with her feelings for S. And S can take a hike now there's a man on the scene, just like the other three kids were jettisoned when Mike came on the scene (or, rather, was taken from his ex wife).

Variedviews · 25/11/2023 11:19

I’ve followed Liz for a while because I saw parallels, especially the legal system failings. I’ve lived through a long and bitter divorce and now raising two older teenage girls, both who are struggling to come to terms with the humiliation of their father’s very public affair with a married teacher at their school. You can imagine the gossip!

What’s driven me to post? Liz has finally educated me! A post that has signposted me to a learning experience! For all the negativity dished out to her, she deserves recognition for this.

Full disclosure: I indirectly know one of Liz’s children through sports. I’ve not met her. She never showed up at practices or events. I later thought her absence might be due to the abuse, but now suspect likely to cover her affairs and accommodate her new life. My ex did this. Even told my daughter he was there and she wasn’t looking properly! Like many, I also assumed the abuse came from the father of child X.

Variedviews · 25/11/2023 11:50

What did I learn? That the late Russell Norman lived and tragically passed away this week. For those who, like me, assumed he was a friend or relative of Liz’s, he was actually the ‘Restaurateur who repackaged Venetian and Florentine cuisine for the hipster generation.’ I know. How is this relevant to women hoping to live better post trauma?

For me, Liz missed the crux of his tragic passing – the impact on his wife and children. The age-old adage, ‘behind every great man is a great woman,’ is evident through the adoring obituaries and celebratory articles. While Russell pursued his career, his wife raised their children, making personal sacrifices. In interviews, he acknowledges his success and ability to work fulfilling 18 hour days is thanks to his wife’s selflessness.

I follow Liz because she claimed to offer advice on living better post-trauma. I thought this meant tips on balancing work, parenting exam-aged daughters, supporting children dealing with trauma and managing my own emotional struggles. I envisioned help navigating challenging bureaucracy, a situation many women find themselves in after becoming single or widowed.

However, Liz doesn’t seem to see or understand these challenges. It’s not a criticism of her character but an observation that she may not be the best advocate for women. She appears to focus on the handsome man, his middle-class lifestyle and her connection to Venice, while I see a difficult road ahead for his wife and children. Liz’s condolences feel empty.

Until her recent posts celebrating him and offering condolences to his family with a ‘papped’ photo, I had never heard of him. Why? Because, like many women post-divorce, I don’t have the time, money, or emotional capacity to dine out, especially in a city far from where I live, to support ‘London’s coolest restaurateur,’ who ‘blazed a trail with small plates and no reservations,’ and had ‘an unconventional formula of small plates, loud music, [and] waiters with tattoos and bed hair.’

Last week, Liz rightfully responded to a troll by stating she can choose who she publicly supports. However, it feels like she is celebrating a middle-class white man in his 50s who made dining out more enjoyable for his social contemporaries, while ignoring the struggles that many women face as I type.

Do I dare suggest she sets up an Instagram for each audience? Right now, her ‘shove it all in one channel’ approach is helping no one, least not herself.

GinnyWoolf · 25/11/2023 15:04

You raise some great points here. Most of her postings are not relevant to helping women with trauma. The only thing she's taught me is that I never, ever want to be like her. Plus for all her great claims of 'flying solo' and doing things on her own, she's clearly that most pitiable of things: a woman who can't really exist without a man.

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Raffington55 · 25/11/2023 16:29

Variedviews · 25/11/2023 11:50

What did I learn? That the late Russell Norman lived and tragically passed away this week. For those who, like me, assumed he was a friend or relative of Liz’s, he was actually the ‘Restaurateur who repackaged Venetian and Florentine cuisine for the hipster generation.’ I know. How is this relevant to women hoping to live better post trauma?

For me, Liz missed the crux of his tragic passing – the impact on his wife and children. The age-old adage, ‘behind every great man is a great woman,’ is evident through the adoring obituaries and celebratory articles. While Russell pursued his career, his wife raised their children, making personal sacrifices. In interviews, he acknowledges his success and ability to work fulfilling 18 hour days is thanks to his wife’s selflessness.

I follow Liz because she claimed to offer advice on living better post-trauma. I thought this meant tips on balancing work, parenting exam-aged daughters, supporting children dealing with trauma and managing my own emotional struggles. I envisioned help navigating challenging bureaucracy, a situation many women find themselves in after becoming single or widowed.

However, Liz doesn’t seem to see or understand these challenges. It’s not a criticism of her character but an observation that she may not be the best advocate for women. She appears to focus on the handsome man, his middle-class lifestyle and her connection to Venice, while I see a difficult road ahead for his wife and children. Liz’s condolences feel empty.

Until her recent posts celebrating him and offering condolences to his family with a ‘papped’ photo, I had never heard of him. Why? Because, like many women post-divorce, I don’t have the time, money, or emotional capacity to dine out, especially in a city far from where I live, to support ‘London’s coolest restaurateur,’ who ‘blazed a trail with small plates and no reservations,’ and had ‘an unconventional formula of small plates, loud music, [and] waiters with tattoos and bed hair.’

Last week, Liz rightfully responded to a troll by stating she can choose who she publicly supports. However, it feels like she is celebrating a middle-class white man in his 50s who made dining out more enjoyable for his social contemporaries, while ignoring the struggles that many women face as I type.

Do I dare suggest she sets up an Instagram for each audience? Right now, her ‘shove it all in one channel’ approach is helping no one, least not herself.

I'm glad you posted this. Liz rarely thinks of or acknowledges others because she doesn't care about anyone else. When I saw her post I'm afraid I couldn't help rather cynically thinking that all she was doing was advertising her connection to Russell Norman for vanity purposes. She was showing off. It's almost as though she was at a neighbouring table but would like us to think she was part of the late chef's group of friends dining together. Who knows. RIP Russell. I knew very little of him, and reading the obituaries he will be missed by very many for being a lovely man.

Physicsrevision · 25/11/2023 18:31

Or ADHD. The YouTube channel stopped as abruptly as it started.

Umbrellaisback · 25/11/2023 19:32

Is today’s backside hanging out post running photo another snapped unexpectedly ‘unawares’ by a random stranger 🧐

Raffington55 · 25/11/2023 20:05

"Tomorrow, I write". 🤣🤣 Oooooh the melodrama 🤣

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