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Sectioned to a single gender, mixed sex ward

53 replies

changer2010 · 29/10/2023 14:09

Yesterday I was sectioned to a supposedly female ward. There are two patients who are transwomen. I feel really vulnerable, but I’m scared of saying anything because this ward has better access than the other female ward, plus they presumably have the same problem. What can I do? After all I can’t discharge myself

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ChishiyaBat · 29/10/2023 14:37

I'm so sorry you find yourself in this position💐 are you in a bay or your own room? How many other women are with you?

changer2010 · 29/10/2023 15:01

I have my own room. I think it’s a 16 bed ward, so 14 women and 2 transwomen.

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RunningFromInsanity · 29/10/2023 15:09

If they have been sectioned I imagine they will be focussing on themselves and their recovery.
You have your own room so it’s not very different to sharing a hotel with men in the other rooms.

ChishiyaBat · 29/10/2023 15:11

I'm glad you have your own room. I'm sorry you are so vulnerable and scared right now. I hope that you are alright.

AutumnFroglets · 29/10/2023 15:15

RunningFromInsanity · 29/10/2023 15:09

If they have been sectioned I imagine they will be focussing on themselves and their recovery.
You have your own room so it’s not very different to sharing a hotel with men in the other rooms.

Hotel rooms have locks on their doors. Nor do they have strangers walking in and out. Hardly comparable.

I'm so sorry OP. Wishing you a speedy recovery Flowers

KnickerlessParsons · 29/10/2023 15:18

I think I'd lodge a complaint. The trans women can be moved, even if you can't.

Forester1 · 29/10/2023 15:19

No advice but I’m sorry that you’re in this situation. It’s wrong.

Peablockfeathers · 29/10/2023 15:22

Sorry to hear this, I was sectioned in my late teens and the ward was mixed sex, absolutely awful.

You have your own room so it’s not very different to sharing a hotel with men in the other rooms.

Sure, just all of the communal areas and really comforting when you can't lock your door.

Hope you're doing okay OP.

Pipistrellus · 29/10/2023 15:31

KnickerlessParsons · 29/10/2023 15:18

I think I'd lodge a complaint. The trans women can be moved, even if you can't.

I would also make a complaint. It will not help your recovery feeling unsafe on a mixed sex ward without a lockable private space.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/10/2023 15:36

RunningFromInsanity · 29/10/2023 15:09

If they have been sectioned I imagine they will be focussing on themselves and their recovery.
You have your own room so it’s not very different to sharing a hotel with men in the other rooms.

Being sectioned typically means there is a concern about harm to self OR OTHERS.

I do doubt you'd be so sanguine if you were locked in with people you didn't want to be locked in with. I certainly wouldn't.

changer2010 · 29/10/2023 16:13

Also there aren’t separate loos - I don’t know how the other women feel who have to share. I have one to myself because of my disabilities

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DrBlackbird · 29/10/2023 16:14

RunningFromInsanity · 29/10/2023 15:09

If they have been sectioned I imagine they will be focussing on themselves and their recovery.
You have your own room so it’s not very different to sharing a hotel with men in the other rooms.

Well done. You win the award for the least helpful comment for someone clearly struggling with their mental health. 🏆

ChishiyaBat · 29/10/2023 16:19

@changer2010 at least you don't have to share a toilet, I can offer no help, but I am able to listen to you. I wish you a speedy recovery💐

Deathwillbebutapause · 29/10/2023 16:24

Wishing you health, OP. 💐

It's insane that you are put in this situation.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 29/10/2023 17:07

RunningFromInsanity · 29/10/2023 15:09

If they have been sectioned I imagine they will be focussing on themselves and their recovery.
You have your own room so it’s not very different to sharing a hotel with men in the other rooms.

Do you have any experience with dealing with someone who is sectioned?
im reading what youve put and wondering where you get these ideas from?

sectioned patients have shared common areas, shared bathrooms (if someone is sectioned it because they are actually a danger to themselves or others so giving them a bathroom privately is too risky), and shared dining rooms.

Patients aren’t locked up in their rooms, they’re on a locked ward which they can’t leave. patients doors are NOT locked from inside in case someone locks themselves in and tries to harm themselves or even trash the room. So other patients can theoretically walk in, just like staff can.

generally if other patience are a danger to others and wander, they’re on a 1:1 regime so that should stop them, but people can be pretty quick when agitated or hallucinating. 1:1 means a member of staff is assigned each shift and is with them constantly or in line of sight,

As for others focusing on themselves and their recovery. Well that’s just naive and lacking understanding of the issues facing most people on psychiatric wards. These are patients in crisis, pretty unaware of their surroundings and impulsive, delusional and unable to focus on anything much. They are often bored witless, frustrated, by being kept locked up with little to do and no change of scenery. They will probably only get any real therapies maybe 1 or 2 times per week if at all. They’ll be visited by psychiatrist only once per week on ward rounds, and rest of time with CPNs or care staff. . Mostly it’s about containing them, to minimise risk to themselves or others, until their drug therapy is established (possibly again) when they are discharged and drug and dumped which goes by the lovely euphamism of “care in the community”.

my DF is just about to be released into a care home form section order for 6 months. He has, unfortunately, attacked staff , trashed rooms twice, and tired to hit me once. He has also on a number of occasions relieved himself in the middle of the lounge, once even taking a poop and therefore exposed himself (luckily on single sex ward) he has dementia and with the most horrific delusions and hallucinatory- thankful he is a bit better now and can go back to his nursing home. My exh also had severe and enduring mental illness. He was sectioned once. It was my first experience of these wards and it was horrible; noisy with shouting and swearing and banging, and alarms going off all the time. People are wandering around outside in corridors - staff can only intervene if they are a danger or try to enter someone’s rooms- but you’re average staff member is hard pushed to stop someone by themselves who is absolutely determined to get someone becuase they’re convinced they’re in right place.

sorry, but this is how it is. No one goes into psychiatric wards for a nice “rest” and gentle recovery with therapy and lots of staff attention. The ONLY psychiatric beds these days are critical care. And that almost always means sectioning. They are not places to go to find calm and quiet- they are chaotic and frightening often. It’s about stabilising patients to release them from sectioning order asap- which is as it should be in that case at least.

pickledandpuzzled · 29/10/2023 17:10

@Appleofmyeye2023 thank you for spelling out to the hard of understanding what the implications are.

and I’m so sorry for you OP and all the other women in the ward. I wish I knew how to help.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 29/10/2023 17:14

op,
im sorry you’ve been sectioned and wish you all the best. it’s a horrible experience
As you say you’ve got a choice to stay nothing if you think this ward is best for you, or to raise a concern. As you do have a private bathroom, high is very unusual, I’d wait and see what happens. If someone ever, ever enters your room (female or trans), raise it immediately as a concern with staff. If it happens twice raise as a complaint.
in truth I’m surprised you’re sectioned and still have your device, that’s unusual , but it does mean you can log a complaint with PALS.
ANY inappropriate sexual behaviour, or even overly familiar comments you complain.
beds are in such short supply, that trying to get moved is likely to end with you going someone that isn’t as appropriate to your needs.

complain now if there is any issue, immediately and as it arises
and then, when you are better, send a general complaint in about how it made you feel, how you felt at risk etc.

changer2010 · 29/10/2023 17:29

@Appleofmyeye2023 thanks I am fortunate to have my phone, I’m a risk to myself rather than others and don’t misuse it. It is a horrible experience. I think I’ll do a general complaint when I’m released.

and thanks for your description of what it’s like. I’m lucky that you can lock the door from the inside so only staff can come in. But I’ve just been ‘encouraged’ to go into the lounge and be with people but I’m in nightclothes so I’d rather not, before I would have done that.

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Myfabby · 29/10/2023 17:43

RunningFromInsanity · 29/10/2023 15:09

If they have been sectioned I imagine they will be focussing on themselves and their recovery.
You have your own room so it’s not very different to sharing a hotel with men in the other rooms.

Mean, inaccurate and unhelpful. Why even comment
@changer2010

I'm so sorry-it understandly makes you anxious and I imagine not helpful to your recovery.

Wish you the best.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/10/2023 17:51

RunningFromInsanity · 29/10/2023 15:09

If they have been sectioned I imagine they will be focussing on themselves and their recovery.
You have your own room so it’s not very different to sharing a hotel with men in the other rooms.

Have you been in many mental health facilities?

daffodilandtulip · 29/10/2023 17:52

Contact PALS first thing in the morning

PabloandGustheGreySquirrels · 29/10/2023 17:55

changer2010 · 29/10/2023 17:29

@Appleofmyeye2023 thanks I am fortunate to have my phone, I’m a risk to myself rather than others and don’t misuse it. It is a horrible experience. I think I’ll do a general complaint when I’m released.

and thanks for your description of what it’s like. I’m lucky that you can lock the door from the inside so only staff can come in. But I’ve just been ‘encouraged’ to go into the lounge and be with people but I’m in nightclothes so I’d rather not, before I would have done that.

Don't wait until you've been released, they will not take it seriously as they'll see it that it didn't bother you enough to say anything whilst you were there. Call PALS first thing or your hospital's version of PALS

pickledandpuzzled · 29/10/2023 18:37

It’s also two women who don’t have a place, and we know places are in short supply.

Do we know where the shortage is greater, men’s or women’s wards?

Pipistrellus · 29/10/2023 18:44

I wonder if this also means they are putting vulnerable transmen on wards with men?

BluebellsForest · 29/10/2023 18:47

If they have been sectioned I imagine they will be focussing on themselves and their recovery.

What an unrealistically optimistic assumption, @RunningFromInsanity.

I hope you get some good advice, OP. Such an unfair and stressful situation to put you in.