WTF is this?

[Revolutionfrommybed]

Local poster for a menopause clinic is advertising it as suitable for all those with ‘ovarian systems’? I actually can not quite believe what I am reading. Is this what we have been reduced to?

I’ll happily DM you the poster.

I’ll happily DM you the poster.

I’ve got no idea what a frontal birth is but it clearly says vaginal next to it

I’d love to see it!

Can you post a picture?

And yet the word vaginal isn’t enough.

Milli Hill is collecting these sort of thing and sending them out via a weekly substack if you want to have it seen more widely without having it linked to your user name.

But my point is that it’s not erasing anything. The thinking is often that hospitals and medical places are using words like ovarian system to replace words like woman. Here they haven’t replaced the word vagina or erased the fact that it’s vaginas where babies come from…they’ve just added something else. I mean I’m not denying that it’s stupid, I just don’t think it’s eradicating women.

Where is your vagina if you think a vaginal birth is a frontal birth?

This is how they shift language. First vaginal, then vaginal/frontal then frontal which is taken from the front hole as opposed to the back hole description of vagina. Neither of which are true.

But it’s unnecessary, confusing, inaccurate and pointless, unless people that are so triggered by the word “vaginal” have some kind of special power to completely blank it out and read only the word “frontal”.

TBH I find the reduction of “vagina” to “front hole” pretty dehumanising.

I just don’t see how it’s a reduction of vaginal to frontal if the word vaginal is included

When I was very young (a long time ago) I asked my mum why we had belly buttons. She said that was where the baby was connected to the mother. For years I thought that meant that babies were born through the belly button, that it just opened up and the baby came out. Guess that's a frontal birth!!! 😁. (I was quite shocked when I learned the truth 🤣)

I have had my fallopian tubes removed so I guess my warranty is also now invalid? Name and shame, OP, if you haven't already.

Perhaps they are decolonising the language because Ceasarian section is named after Ceasar who was that bloody Roman what invaded Britain and kicked off centuries of oppression by the Roman Empire?

Fair enough if you’re OK with it.

I find it crude and reductionist.

If a transman or non-binary female-bodied person can manage their gender dysphoria sufficiently enough to have a baby, they can cope with terms like 'vagina' and 'breastfeeding'.

'frontal birth' is ludicrous because (a) it sounds like a C-section and (b) because a woman's 'front' hole is not her vagina.

'chestfeeding' is ludicrous because one cannot feed a baby from one's chest. Anyone who has had a double mastectomy cannot feed their infant in that manner.

I would not be giving birth in a hospital that puts out this stupid, scientifically illiterate information.

But it's wrong, as in inaccurate. You don't give birth from the front. Or are you one of these weird lizard people I keep hearing about? 🤔

I agree with all of this up to the bit about not wanting to give birth in the hospital. I guess I’m just less offended by hospitals using weird additional language than some. And I don’t see it as replacing real words like woman, vaginal and breastfeeding. But as @SabrinaThwaite put it, I guess we can agree to disagree…

No I am not a lizard. I was also unaware that lizards have vaginas placed further to the front. 😂

Ah, no, we can’t add “cloaca” into the mix as well!

Personally I wouldn’t be put off a hospital using “inclusive” language, although my eyeballs would be rolling somewhat (which might actually be a useful distraction, given my own birthing person experiences).

I would presume that it is for women, and trans men who still have their ovarian systems present, and therefore will still be affected as their oestrogen levels dissipate.
Why would anyone be upset about that? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Have you not read the thread? Because it's replacing the clearly understood word woman with a complex phrase in an area of healthcare that is central to womanhood.

Agree to agree about the eye rolling. But in terms of distractions, and given my personal experiences, I think I’m going to need something a little stronger and more hallucinogenic! 😂

Nothing wrong with the poster provided here. It has two separate options for wording, without leaving out the wording you lot want. So maybe don't take the piss out of those? Doesn't look good, does it.

I was lucky to get gas and air the first time.

The second time we had to insist that I’m not going home given that it’s now snowing heavily and I’ve no wish to be stuck and snowed in at home.