jon Snow baby via surrogate

[orangelotus]

I just read the guardian article and felt to sad.
these frankly elderly rich people buying a baby seems so abhorrent to me.
And it's all about them no reference to the woman who actually was pregnant and gave birth -so the mother.
His 48 year wife •deserved " a baby.
How have we got to this?

The complacency and self regard are staggering. I don’t think they actually live together, at least full time, she is in America and he is in Britain.

So a sixty seven year old man and a forty five year old woman have ‘trouble conceiving’ . Well, well,I’m amazed, never mind , let’s buy a baby instead. I will be in my late eighties , and Precious will be in the late sixties when our ‘daughter’ is twenty, so should just about be ready to look after us…..

Really, some clever (Possibly Japanese) inventor should market an artificial child for this sort of situation. Smiley smiley, dear little thing, no crying, no pooing, no annoying interruptions to adult conversation. You could have all the grandparent type of fun, and then it could go back in its box until next required.

Actually, Snow has grandchildren. I think somewhere in the article ( I really don’t want to read it again) he says he thinks of this child in the same way…..🤦🏻‍♀️

you have been charitable with their ages - he is 75 and she is 48.
no amount of "fun" sock wearing will equip him fir a child.
yes you are right a doll would have been sufficient for them.

Grim.

I’ve spent the weekend with my mum who is a similar age. (Im obviously not a toddler. A lot of her life is unspokenly about end of life, slowly distributing photos, chucking stuff out, selling off stuff. Not in a morbid way.

My dad in his later years was all about booking holidays and warning me there will be no inheritance as he was enjoying his money now.

i guess I saw/see them confronting their mortality. Such a contrast to this idea of having a baby in your 70s, like a denial of your own mortality and buying a baby to support this.

How utterly hideous for his daughters who are in their 30s. I wonder if they're thinking he always wanted a boy

Having trouble conceiving? Do these people not understand normal human biology and the ageing process?

Incredibly irresponsible and selfish to have a child when you are mid-70s. The child will most likely lose their dad while they are still young, or he may be in bad health or infirm throughout much of his childhood or adolescence. It’s a big burden on the child.

One of my friends dads was 57 when she was born. She'd buried him before her 18th birthday and a large part of her teenage years, when she should have been out enjoying herself, was spent nursing an elderly man and picking up the pieces for her mum. She has a lot of pent up resentment over it all.

It’s disgusting and symptomatic of all that is wrong with society now.

who was the surrogate? She has been treated like a piece of machinery that's now completed it's purpose.
So hypocritical reporting on victims of war etc whilst exploiting a woman.

This is beyond selfish of them both - didn’t know they didn’t even live in the same country, that makes it even more selfish. So he’s set himself up as an absent father and will probably be gone completely for the key stages of his sons life. And then complains that his own father was distant.

Absolutely GROSS.

So sad, a child is not a right, she does not 'deserve' one.

The Law Commission surrogacy consultation recommended no upper limit on the age of commissioning parents.
The minimum age was 18 to align with the minimum age for a woman to be a paid breeder surrogate mother.
Any 18 year old being a commissioning parent would presumably be being bank rolled by their own parents, perhaps to supply a grandchild or something, I can't really imagine the circumstances but no doubt it will happen.

Anyway the LC have announced that they will be publishing their. report and A DRAFT BILL for Parliament on Wednesday 29th March.
Look out for it. I will probably start a thread if someone else doesn't. But I'm expecting it to be a LOoooooonng read and it will take time to dissect - speed readers wanted!

Then it will be one more thing to Libby MPs about. I'm torn between thinking the government will be too busy and kick it into the long grass and thinking they will take the view "Ahhhh babies. Everyone wants one. What's not to like? This could be a vote winner". I'm veering towards the latter.

*lobby MPs

For those who missed it this thread is about a couple who were 75 and 50 when they bought twins from USA. The father (who was the younger parent) has recently died age 62 leaving the 85 year old "mother" with 12 year old twins.

This is what happens when there are no limits.

Unusual scenario and social services www.mumsnet.com/Talk/surrogacy/4726903-unusual-scenario-and-social-services

Correction - she was 72 when they were born.

Is there a guide on adoption? I guess that’s trickier as people may be adopting older children.

I know it used to be tight 25 years ago as I’ve a family member who adopted abroad in her 40s as deemed too old but I had thought that was more flexible now.

Revolting. Truly revolting.

Oh my god that's grim

My guess is she a woman of a lower socio-economic class that the commissioning parents. Likely abroad.

If they didn't use their own gametes then there will likely be another woman somewhere they've also used.

None of this considers the child. It's all about the parents "life fulfillment."

That's an abomination.

I think the parents can't be more than 40 years older than the child. But that could have changed.

Yeah, a family friend is adopting and they have 'aged out' of being offered a baby. She's 42 and the adoptees they have been discussing are over 6.