LGBT ally school

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My kids secondary school has written about how they are an LGBT ally, all over their social media and his they’ll be covering this in assemblies etc. what does bring an LGBT ally actually mean?

Oh FFS, the faux naivety is embarrassing.

The OP wants to make LGBT allyship in schools out to be a bad thing because it includes trans people.

Apparently so @AlisonDonut. And pointing out LGBT training in school is detrimental to women and girls is not allowed to be discussed on a feminist boards cos er…. Reasons. 🙃

LGBT allyship in schools is a good thing.

It helps young people get less bullied if they are gay, lesbian, bisexual or trans.

Get over it.

Actually it doesn't.

Some schools work very well at it.

Many just have LGB groups.

Some will have separate T groups or LGBT.

But it is an issue when sex born males are calling sex born females attracted to sex born females bigots for not wanting to take part in sexual contact with sex born males who have decided that their clothing choices and interests make them female.

Personally I have literally no issue how anyone decides to dress or what they call themselves. I have a massive issue with sex born makes in sex born woman's spaces.

And I have an even bigger issue with homosexual woman not being allowed to take part in sexual acts that solely include the "homo" bit.

And I'm a heterosexual woman. But I can also tell you I wouldn't want to take part o. Sexual contact with a male sex born person who said they were female. And I'll be blowed if I'm being called a bigot for that either.

The issue isn't what people want to call themselves, dress as or sleep with.

The issue is the erosion of woman's rights in favour of other minority groups.

And a parenting forum aimed predominantly at mums is exactly the right place to discuss it.

i think the issue is not so much LGBT allyship, anything preventing children getting bullied is good, but I think the conflict arises when the training is trying to deal with two sets of groups with conflicting needs and values. LGB is about sexuality, and who people are attracted to, and T is about identity and how one sees oneself. That is all fine, until someone’s identity and how they wish to be seen conflicts with another groups ideals and values.

And a parenting forum aimed predominantly at mums is exactly the right place to discuss it.

Great - go ahead and do that on the board that mn created especially for that topic.

LGBT allyship in schools has made a vast difference in normalising non heteronormative relationships.

Kids of all sexualities are living happier schooldays being open about who they fancy because of pro-active LGBT allyship in schools.

This move to crush it by making it suspect because it includes T is backward thinking and won’t help kids.

It means the head is a bit thick and has given in to some lobby group or other without understanding the debate that’s been going on for the last few years both within and outside LGB and trans circles.

The concerning word is ‘ally’ which is trans activist jargon, encouraging people to be combatative and to attack anyone who disagres with their catchphrases as opposed to dialogue and critical thinking.

It means the head is ok with political indoctrination in schools.

Tread carefully OP.

Yes some do a great job.

Some who but into certain view also do a great job of allowing lesbian females to be called bigots for not wanting to partake in relationships with sex born males who are trans females.

Why can't you see it can be both positive for some and negative for others if it isn't got right?

The same happens in groups for disabled people. They tend to think very narrowly about a certain "type" of disability and forget everyone with a disability is unique as everyone without. Ive seen disabled people excluded from disability groups that are too generalised.

That's why many disability companies have their own aperitif support groups for specific disability. It's hardly a revelation and it's definitely not something that should be ignored.

If these discussions are shit down and ignored them thinks don't improve for everybody which surely is the aim?

Well that’s quite a stretch there Stardu.

And good demonstration of how successful using trans-panic as a wedge lever to undermine progress on equality movements has been.

I’m sure lesbian gay and bi children everywhere are grateful for your interest in removing the hard-won validation of their sexuality against the background of section 28.

Huh? @WaityWTF ehst are you talking about? No one is wanting to remove the validation of anyone’s sexuality. The discussion is about how gender ideology impacts on LGB children and how this can be navigated. No one is denying anyone’s sexuality is not valid. We’re not Nancy Kelly.

I'm a teacher.

The colleague running the 'yay, all the letters' club is not always the person you'd expect to bring experience to bear.

My lesbian dd1 is very clear that a) the teacher is a well meaning idiot & b) 'it's basically 3-4 y11 entitled boys in eyeliner getting off on making a young female teacher tell them they're special. Then they laugh at her on instagram. I would not set foot in there, to put it politely'.

The concerning word is ‘ally’ which is trans activist jargon, encouraging people to be combatative and to attack anyone who disagres with their catchphrases as opposed to dialogue and critical thinking.
It means the head is ok with political indoctrination in schools.
Tread carefully OP.

This.

People like Andrew Doyle (an ex teacher I think) have explained far more eloquently than I why 'allyship' is problematic. Children should not be compelled to be 'allies' to any particular group.

LGBT allyship in schools has made a vast difference in normalising non heteronormative relationships.

I'm sure you have swathes of research showing this [rather than it being just your opinion]?

I think there are some very good PHsE resources on this topic, but there also some very dodgy ones. Until recently mermaids were training schools FFS. I think any materials need to be balanced, factual and not prioritising one group over another.

Yes, I'd have said this too - they stand with people who are LGBT and don't tolerate any homophobia or transphobia, letting students know they have their back so to speak.
Awaits faux innocent posts of but wot is transphobia 🙄😁

I don't think you need "swathes of research" when it comes to this - surely it's a no brainer that if you're supporting LGBT pupils in school, there's going to be a difference in people feeling they can be themselves and not hide their sexuality or whatever, as opposed to it being the opposite when section 28 was in force and it was illegal to teach/ talk about LGBT subjects?

Why do they need an assembly on this. What is even a LGBT ally ship. Will they hold a assembly for a straight person/heterosexual allyship? Why the need of being proud of being gay and not being proud of doing well in academia or sports especially in a educational setting. I’m proud I’ve got through university, I’m proud that I am well traveled. However I am not proud of being straight, female and of a certain ethnicity as these three things take zero effort.
sick of this , shoving it into peoples face. We should also celebrate marriage/straight couples if we want equal rights….

@Santasjingleballs that's a lot of words to say you're straight 😂 it was painfully clear before you even got to the "shoving it in people's faces" bit
(I'm straight too btw)

LGB Alliance is where you need to look for information on this point. Transwomen are indeed gaslighting Lesbians into having sex with them (intact males, often) and calling them transphobic and 'genital fetishists' if they refuse. Women have been thrown off Lesbian dating sites for protesting at being pursued by males. NZ and Austalia particularly have this problem, and a look at the website 'No conflict, they said' has examples. Of course it is not transphobic for a Lesbian to turn down a transwoman (who is a man) but that's not how Trans Allies see it.

'No conflict...' gives examples - lost my thread.

I'm not 'faux innocent'. The trans agenda is both misogynistic and homophobic as you will find if you do a little digging on treatment of Lesbians by trans women. Try LGB Alliance, Fair Play for Women, FiLiA, and No Conflict They Said.

Whatever the school I would ask what their changing room and lavatory policies are. If they are allowing boys who ID as girls into those areas then you need to complain because this will mean girls are being asked to validate a male's idea of being female and also being asked to undress in a male's presence - with the additional sauce of peer pressure not to complain as it is 'transphobic'.

Didn’t the head of stonewall call lesbians who refuse to date males with a trans identity as ‘sexual racists’. And didn’t Veronica Ivy, a famous trans activist, say lesbians should learn to get over their ‘genital preferences’. If that’s not homophobia, I’d like to know what is.

So @RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella could you start to see why some people are worried about young lesbians being taught this. It is obvious trans ideology is in conflict with both womens rights and LGB. How should we reconcile this?

My daughter told me LGBT allies are people who support the community but aren't part of it! I feel like we all should be allies! 🥰🌈

@Santasjingleballs I think you are being ignorant! I, as a heterosexual woman, have never faced any sort of hate based on my sexuality! I have been able to love my husband without any hate! That isn't the same for homosexuals. My son opened up to me about the hate he gets because of his identity and I think he deserves to know that he is loved too.