Women banned from park

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63582047

Makes me want to scream

Anyone else share my dispair? Where's the condemnation from the rest of the world or have we just given up on the plight of Afghanistan women? We ought to be evacuating all females out of that country they are the true persecuted incarcerated freedom revoked victims. That country does not deserve to have women.

It is bad, but is it bad enough for you to do something tangible to improve the rights of women in Afghanistan.

Otherwise it's just empty talk and Afghan women's lives won't improve.

what can we do?

It is ‘empty talk’ but it is throwing light on a subject which most people never think of or are not consciously aware.

What do you suggest we do? I have written many letters to the Embassy of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan in London - I’m sure the Taliban have read them and considered them deeply 🙄. I have written to my MP, who expresses her concern etc but we both know that realistically she has zero influence.

What else do you suggest? The Taliban are unlikely to even listen to worldwide condemnation by male Muslim leaders because if they disagree they are ‘not Muslim enough’.

Imho I think that any discussion is better than no discussion though I concede that it’s unlikely that Mullah Hibatullah Akhunzada regulatory checks opinions on Mumsnet.

Regulatory = regularly

I think we can bear witness and that's what threads like this encourage us to do. It's all we can do, sometimes.

It's appalling. I agree, it's important to talk about it rather than stay silent, even if it is only talk. Silence just helps evil to triumph

It's depressing but not surprising.

The world is showing support to the Iranian protestors rightly so. But the Taliban's treatment of women is just plain bonkers. Twisted. Warped. Unjustified. Would it be unreasonable of me to be fearful for the future of women's freedom if the Muslim faith becomes more and more embedded in our country, and across the world? Are women to be kept like pets ? Women have come so far to attain equality but with such examples of oppression enduring in the modern age are we going to head backwards? The prospect is frightening.

Sometimes the main way to impose regime change , is either black ops, political power grabs, from our preferred puppets, or civil war. Etc

It's unreasonable of you to think that any Muslim regime would treat women as the Taliban do, OP.

Bloody hell. Joy sucking dementors.

The joy has certainly been sucked for Afghan women and women across the Arab states, middle east, India, and everywhere else that seems women second class citizens.

*sees women as

And people argue that it's nothing to do with Islam 🙄.

Is this comment even really necessary? It is completely reductive to say "it's because of Islam". Islamic nations are not a monolith. The Talibans actions are down to their own ideology and their interpretation of Islam to justify their behaviour, just as all faiths have done for thousands of years so the problem here is The Taliban, not Islam.

There will be zero progress if all Muslims and Islamic nations are lumped in as one. It does nothing to help those women in Afghanistan or any other others.

Fundamental Christian religions being so well known for the amount of freedom they give women?

I mean, it wasn't the Taliban that overturned Roe v Wade.

Name the problem.

The problem is men, not religion.

I mean, it wasn't the Taliban that overturned Roe v Wade.
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The problem is men, not religion

It can be both. I don't buy that Islam has nothing to do with the Taliban's laws and I don't buy that fundamentalist Christians weren't behind the reversal of Roe vs Wade, and apparently neither do you.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63838213 Indonesia is expected to criminalise pre-marital sex. I don't buy that this isn't being driven by Islamic fundamentalists and neither do I think it's a coincidence that ultra conservative and Aceh is the province with Sharia law in place and the most draconian rules.

And yes religion is mostly controlled and driven by men but it is still very much a big player in the oppression of many women.

Well yes, but so is capitalism, so was feudalism... religions ARE tools of oppression, of course they are, but only because they are controlled and driven by men. Religion in a non-patriarchal society could - would - look very different.

Religion in a non-patriarchal society could - would - look very different.

Would it really? Or are people still going to base their religions on texts written thousands or many centuries ago about imaginary beings?

Bingo.

The Amish immediately spring to mind, but no one blames Christianity as a whole for it.

🗣️ say it again

Shocking. I also don't understand how 'people' not following sharia law in the park (no idea what that means) means that WOMEN aren't allowed anymore.