godmum56 · 17/07/2022 16:51
Form what I can understand, at least one of the women obtained the pills legally from the BPAS for use before 10 weeks, however the pills were used on a 28 week old. Its not clear where the other woman got the pills from or whether the cases are linked. I think its one of those "we don't know the full story" things.
Sorefrog · 17/07/2022 16:54
The CPS, who have been blamed for a dramatic collapse in the number of rape cases going to court because they were chasing conviction stats, have decided to pursue these cases against these two women. Cases where women are alleged to have caused their own abortions. Something that’s broadly accepted as a human right in this country.
I’d like to know who made that decision, how they justify it as being ‘in the public interest’ and any government pressure that may have contributed to the decision to proceed with these cases.
godmum56 · 17/07/2022 16:56
Some background here. www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/02/women-accused-of-abortions-in-england-and-wales-after-miscarriages-and-stillbirths
I wonder if it is a genuine issue or some pot stirring given what is happening in the US?
Threebutterflies · 17/07/2022 17:00
even if it’s illegal after 24 weeks, why would they be facing life in prison ? Child murderers get less than that ? Look at baby peters mum swanning around getting her nails done - makes me sick. These women must have been pretty desperate to do what they did - how’s about helping and supporting them !
Sorefrog · 17/07/2022 17:06
It’s something that should never get to a courtroom. Whatever the circumstances of the cases, criminalising the women will serve no purpose. If the woman referred to here (allegedly) chose to risk taking the medication designed to terminate a first trimester pregnancy at 28 weeks, I’d say she would’ve met the criteria for a legal late term surgical procedure. If taking those pills doesn’t suggest extreme desperation and show that continuing the pregnancy would have been posed serious threat to her mental well-being I don’t know what could.
ilyx · 17/07/2022 17:16
It’s something that should never get to a courtroom. Whatever the circumstances of the cases, criminalising the women will serve no purpose
You can’t just go around giving yourself a botched abortion at 28 weeks, the pills are absolutely not for later term abortions, surgical abortions are used for this reason. She could have permanently disabled the baby had the abortion not have worked.
You could say that about any crime, that criminalising the woman serves no purpose, but she was given the abortion pills early into her pregnancy and she had ages to take them, so it’s not like she was denied an abortion.
LostThePot · 17/07/2022 17:31
Soubriquet · 17/07/2022 17:20
That would never happen. They would scan her before prescribing pills.
Threebutterflies · 17/07/2022 17:01
Maybe she didn’t know she was 28 weeks and she got the pills legally
They weren’t scanning you during Covid. You had an over the phone consultation and the pills were sent through the post.
From what I’ve heard in the radio today, at least one of the women may have thought she was under 10 weeks, for the pills through the post but then it became clear she was actually 28 weeks gone.
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