Gay men sue when surrogate has girl instead of boy

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Proof if any was needed is that surrogacy is about buying perfect babies and not becoming a parent.
These kids were intended as mere accessories.

Yet on other reason ALL surrogacy should be outlawed.

www.nationalreview.com/corner/two-fathers-sue-because-surrogate-gave-birth-to-a-daughter/

They don't deserve her. WHY were they so determined to have two sons.

I don't understand why one son and one daughter is such a disaster for them. Madness.

Jalisco - one day that little girl is going to find out that she was sold by her mother to people who were so disappointed in her that they tried to sue the people who ‘made’ her. These people are despicable. The fact that they are gay is irrelevant.

But the attacks on these individuals is disgusting.

Leaving a baby without parents is too.

The clinic may offer gender selection, but unless it's 100% reliable (which it clearly isn't - be it the testing or the human intervention), users of the service should acknowledge that they could get something different.

Now there is a child whose birth mother didn't chose to have her to keep, and whose birth father and his partner don't want her because she has the wrong genitals.

Children are becoming real commodities rather than beings to be loved and cherished. And if said child is a commodity worth suing over then yes, I absolutely question whether they are fit to be parents. Whether they are gay, straight or any shade in between is irrelevant.

The whole process is so unbelievably morally bankrupt. Adopt a child if you want to be able to choose the sex. Plenty of kids out there desperate for a loving home.

Te the surrogate choosing not to keep her - in the USA she has no right to keep the baby once contracts are signed - all the rights are with the commissioning couple. She has sold her bodily autonomy (such as it is in the USA these days)!

Such an awful story. That poor girl. How can anyone think this is ok?

Because they'd already chosen names and got their email addresses set up!

Not always/ some women have no womb- men obviously can't carry babies.
Surrogacy is a beautiful thing done in the right way.

You should not be able to choose the gender of your child or it's characteristic's though. That should be illegal l- it is in the UK- the only testing is for abnormalities.

There is nothing beautiful about selling babies.

there's quite the thread on this already

The clinic shouldn't be allowed to do sex selection and surrogacy should be illegal.

Suing because the baby you bought wasn't the right kind is repugnant. These men have exploited one woman and rejected another. Selfish pricks.

We know plenty about them as people, we know that they rented a woman to buy a baby and are mad that they got a girl when they only wanted boys. What else do we need to know?
Its nothing to do with them being gay, a straight couple who had done the same would be just as bad. Stop trying to get them off the hook for their shittiness by pretending we're homophobic. It's pathetic.

They should sue because they paid for a service they didn't get. I don't think they should have gone public with it, but if the clinic are uncomfortable with IVF sex selection they should do it properly. and as promised to the couple

Surely we have reached the poit of designer babies. Blond blue eyes and olive skin?? Oh yes and a boy that will have an above average IQ...

This story is disgusting- just because we can doesn't mean we should.

See what happened with the Chinese 1 child policy... a massive gender imbalance with girls literally thrown away.

They want to be parents… but this isn’t how actual parenting works.

Parenting is about being the best parent you can to whatever child you create, girl , boy, and whatever qualities and characteristics they come with.

It makes my blood boil. Bloody self absorbed men.

That poor little girl.

Is the baby girl living with them?
It seems the quoted costs they are suing for include costs for a bird child?

God forbid their GMail address should go to waste!

The surrogacy is a side issue.

Sex selection other than for medical reasons (so serious sex-linked illnesses) should be illegal. I can't think of ANY reason you could justify being able to choose.

Surrogacy if far more contentious and the debate on both sides is fierce.

Their failing in this is the gender selection. But if you offer a service, tell people it will happen and it doesn't, you of course open yourself up to legal action.

Interesting that in America a lot of surrogacy agreements have a termination clause. What’s going to happen in the future? I guess they’ll have to fly to a different state if they can’t get it locally. May put some women off

I don't agree with gender selection in the first place

Ffs

There are times that I am glad I live in the UK and this is one of them. Gender selection is illegal here and that is only right.A baby is not a commodity to be bought and then either abandoned or incurring a financial penalty if it doesn't meet requirements.
I find that all these straight couples you know who sued because they got a boy instead of a girl a strange story. A woman who has had to take the IVF route is getting desperate for a baby and will be overjoyed regardless of gender.

I'm not condoning surrogacy in this thread, but as PPs have pointed out, this issue has been conflated and confused.

California fertility clinics charge tens of thousands more for gender selection than fertility clinics in other US states, where gender selection is illegal. They did not deliver. The term 'sue' is very emotive, but in effect the clinic should be providing financial compensation for whatever went wrong here.

But, surrogacy aside, has this couple stated that they won't love this little girl? I know that I desperately, desperately wanted a boy for my first, but I got a girl. I couldn't have loved her more when she arrived. I loved and love her for who she is. It didn't stop me continuing to want a boy though.

@Jalisco "You know nothing about them as people"

Well I know that they expect financial compensation for being given a girl baby instead of a boy baby, which is, in fairness, the basis of my judgement.

/reeks of 17th century

All this story shows is that clinics cannot guarantee the sex of the embryo. This isn't the first time it's happened - a lesbian couple has also recently sued after they wanted a girl through IVF and got a boy.

The mother said:

“I was so furious. It felt like a deep betrayal. How the f**k do you mess up that bad?” she said. “They messed up something so integral; the fact that there are no legal requirements about these procedures should strike fear in the hearts of all parents using fertility services.”
She explained why it was so important to have a daughter and not a son: “We didn’t want to have a boy because of the assaults and because of the socialization of boys — there’s constant socialization of what it means to be a ‘real man.’ People say, ‘Oh, he’s a boy, let him hit you,’ and all the camouflage and guns don’t help. It reinforces masculinity, and that’s a reminder of the assaults every time.”
I wonder about the capacity of either of these couples to be a decent parent. They are treating their babies like a pair of shoes that aren't the colour they ordered. It's revolting.

it were a lesbian couple who wanted a girl, would that mean they hate all men? Or that they don't deserve to be parents?

My opinion has nothing to do with their sex or sexuality and everything to do with their morals.

No one hams Hoyle have the right to pay to rent a woman's body or to buy and other human being.

“We didn’t want to have a boy because of the assaults and because of the socialization of boys”

wow — where to start? Absolutely batshit worldview and a totally inappropriate mindset for having a baby.