Roe bs Wade

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Has been overturned

BBC is reporting it Also DM

I can’t believe it. It’s horrific.

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I'm so gutted for America. When 70% were against it being overturned too. Erosion of womens rights.

Bloody hell.

I didn't realise there was already a post. Just created one in AIBU

Fuck
I don't even know what to say. I'm in shock.

A step closer to Gilead. I’d be feeling very vulnerable as a women in the USA today.

America is totally fucked up. Or at least, the men in power are.

How heart-rending... those poor women.

13 states where it is now illegal to have an abortion, 13 more to follow soon. 26 out of 50.

I just feel gutted that this can he happening in this day and age. The Taliban take away the right for women to be educated, the American Court take away the right for women to have body autonomy... shameful.

Of warren - Tues was first. Also has the voting, which is v useful

Yes, I've asked mumsnet to delete mine.

YOu're not wrong there. We are increasingly worthless as people, and valued only as domestic slaves and warm holes in various places. Which I grant sounds crude but that how it seems.

Is the USA going to be like the countries in SOuth America where if you have a natural miscarriage you are deemed to have had an abortion and sent to prison?

I'm so angry. It's horrific.

I cant believe this has happened. Just utterly raging. What can be done??

I can see women being jailed for miscarriages if it’s deemed she didn’t take enough care of the foetus (this may have already happened?).

Took drugs? Jail.
Drank alcohol? Jail.
Got beaten by abusive partner? Jail.
Didn’t take your prenatal vitamins? Jail.

FFS. Ofwarrwn, I meant to say YOURS was first. I have broken my specs so my typos are myriad. I’m sorry you deleted your thread if it was the one with the voting

It's going to be a huge mess, isn't it?

Women will have to travel for terminations - there's no consitiutional bar on free travel between states, is there? Or on doing things which are legal in that state, even if not legal in your own?

And then it'll become an election issue every time, and I bet there will be states which switch frequently.

Also, point of detail - even under Roe v wade, 3rd trimester abortions were banned unless risk of death / severe compromise to the mother. Will terminations under those terms still be accessible everywhere, or is that also subject to each state's policy at the time?

Awful decision. I was naively surprised when it popped up on bbc news app.

I haven't been following it. Is there any reason for it, other than American so-called Christians say they don't like it (but will often have them if they need one)?

I could weep.

How about women pregnant with a baby with severe abnormalities? Will women be allowed to take tablets to help a miscarriage pass so she does not have the agony of it taking longer?

It's not about babies. It's not about preserving life. If that were the case the US would have world class maternity rights, child benefits & early years provisions.

This is just about making women sub-human breeding vessels.

Women will be considered pre-pregnant lest anyone be associated with 'causing abortion'.

Women will be excluded from society, medical trials, everything.

But at least they're using the word 'women' in the articles

• fetal anomalies, no expect not (threat to maternal life, maybe - I asked above, as that would be in line with current 3rd trimester rights)
• if a miscarrying woman requires hospital admission, she can still get whatever treatment clinicians think she needs. Less likely in other settings

I am a Christian. I value the sanctity of human life. However, I have surprised myself at how viscerally sad this makes me feel, that the value and sanctity of womens lives is of so little importance. In a country where primary school children have such meagre protection from gun violence and babies can be bought and sold through commercial surrogacy. In a country with minimal maternity rights or medical care for those who can't afford insurance but are legally forced to continue with a pregnancy.

My DMum is very much against abortion, believing life begins at conception.

But she is also in her 90s and was practising medicine before abortion was legalised here.

She is very much of the opinion that abortion should be readily available (up to about the time a foetus is likely to survive if delivered) because she has seen and treated women with awful injuries from backstreet practitioners and DIY attempts, and just knows how acute the desperation can be. And thinks the clock should not be turned back. She's personally anti, but at a population level she's very pro-choice.

And is aghast at the removal of abortion services