An idea regarding prostitution

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Go gentle, I've not thought a lot or researched this idea, it just popped into my head last night...

Make paying for sex a criminal matter with unlimited fines for johns... UNLESS they are on the "Johns Register". If you want to use a prostitute without being at risk of prosecution you need to be listed on a public register of Johns. Name, town, age, photo and evidence of the results of an STI test conducted in the last 3 months.

One can debate the ethics of using prostitutes, but men who believe it is morally acceptable to do so should at least have the courage of their convictions and be open about it. They can't have it both ways and say it's fine but I have a problem with people knowing.

That's one of the most revolting posts I've read on MN.

Eh?
I think its a good idea to reduce demand by sending John's on a course about negative impacts of prostitution.

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Oh is that what is? I thought it was some sort of teaching etiquette to be a good punter , sorry misunderstood you.

Oh and thanks. I've now read the thread fully- totally agree with you about "punter- shaming"

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What about "sex" that isn't ? Some men like to be tied up and walked over, or beaten and pay for the privilege. Yes it's niche (or so I am led to believe). Or is "dominatrix" exempt ?

We need some clear unambiguous definitions first. Otherwise such a law might look a bit silly. And we wouldn't want that. Not when all our laws are so sensible at the moment.

Also laws banning things need to have a metric. As people have noted our drugs laws have eliminated the trade in illegal drugs completely. OK it's taken 50 years of ever increasing seizures and people being treated for addiction. But we did it.

(I may not be taking this as seriously as I should. Saturday morning and still on my first coffee. )

"As people have noted our drugs laws have eliminated the trade in illegal drugs completely. OK it's taken 50 years of ever increasing seizures and people being treated for addiction. But we did it."

This is sarcasm, right?

Scotland is often at the top of "most drug deaths per 100,000 people", and Britain as a whole is usually in the top 10.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-48938509

www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/drug-related-deaths/21/drug-related-deaths-21-report.pdf

Countries which have decriminalized recreational drugs completely such as Portugal or at least use safe usage rooms are at the bottom of the charts.

The war on drugs has failed.

An idea regarding prostitution. Make paying for sex a criminal matter unless they do it only every third Tuesday of the month at 7.00 p.m.

This is sarcasm, right?

I don't see how. Everybody agrees that the proscription of arbitrary chemical products has completely eradicated their use. Why else would we still be doing it.

Now if you were to be of the view that all the previous 50 years have done is perpetuate if not entrench the criminal enterprises around drugs then of course it was sarcasm.

That would be one of those laws that absolutely noone would bother with. Sexworkers and their clients would just continue as per usual.

If there was a law saying you could only read books on the 2nd Tuesday of the month between the hours of 3-4 in the morning, would you obey such a law? Or would you just ignore it and read a book whenever you wanted?

It's easy to make assumptions that just because something is made a crime, everyone will obey. That isn't how society works and laws which are unenforceable or just ridiculous end up being ignored by citizens as well as the police.

Change the focus. Restrict access to porn, and create a better safety net. No one should ever be forced to enter the sex industry.

I know two men that are very open and vocal about using prostitutes. They look like such normal people too. That is what is so scary about it. They think it is cheaper than having a girlfriend which is what makes it so worrying, how men can actually justify it to themselves.

I think we all agree noone should be forced/trafficked into anything (includes the sex industry and other non-sex labour as well).

Not sure how you plan on restricting porn though, I presume most people know about TOR etc by now.

Iceland made porn illegal in 2009 which made zero difference to anything. Again, it just became one of those unenforceable laws almost noone bother

That's why John is American slang for a client, clients are basically just normal guys and John is a common name.

One reasons I've heard (not saying this is right or not) for men visiting sexworkers is because it's "professional" i.e. the man simply pays and leaves with no further expectations. Compared to having a gf where he may be expected to buy gifts and take her out to restaurants etc.

The term 'sex worker' suggests that prostitution is a legitimate job, when it is actually exploitation and use of a person's body parts without engaging with them being a person. Prostituted women (or man of course) is a better term.

That's why John is American slang for a client, clients are basically just normal guys and John is a common name.

'John Thomas' is slang for penis. Its how they talk about their clients when they aren't around; just another dick.

I had a friend called 'John Thomas' - he changed it.

Its from Lady Chatterley's Lover isn't it? John Thomas and Lady Jane names they use for their genitals. I think it's about the only thing I remember from the book. Very naughty reading it secretly at 14 or 15. It obviously wasn't very memorable.

I used to work for the vice squad, did admin stuff so when they brought someone in I'd do the paperwork. Lots of the women were great, they'd make me a coffee to hurry me up if they needed to get to school to pick kids up. If they weren't in a hurry they would tell some very funny stories about what some of the punters wanted them to do and some very dodgy things about well known people.

I did it for 3 years, it got very depressing despite the funny incidents above.

One can debate the ethics of using prostitutes, but men who believe it is morally acceptable to do so should at least have the courage of their convictions and be open about it. They can't have it both ways and say it's fine but I have a problem with people knowing.

I'm not sure how seriously the OP was intended but this doesn't really follow. It's possible to believe something's morally acceptable while wanting privacy in your doing of it - because you're aware that other people don't think it's acceptable and their judgment could impact upon your life.

Do you think that any form of promiscuity is 'use of a person's body parts without engaging with them being a person'? Louise Perry would say that any form of promiscuity harms women but Julie Bindel said that sex can be just fun. Even though Julie endorsed Louise's book.

unherd.com/2022/06/in-defence-of-loveless-sex/

There is research to suggest that the one thing that makes men reconsider their exploitation of women is to have their details exposed to their friends and family. Might be worth a try. No good in the countries that have decriminalised the business though

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Obviously, sex can be just fun. I was not talking of promiscuity, I was talking of prostitution, which is the selling of women's bodies for sex. Utterly different and calling prostitution 'sex work' suggests that it is a legitimate purchase and that someone's body can be used as a thing.

Execution would stop them. Sex criminals are some of the worst for recidivism, and they don't seem to be deterred by john schools or therapy, if anything it teaches them how not to get caught and how to groom everyone around them to get sympathy and lenience. They know fine that their victims don't actually want to be there, that's why they have to pay them/their pimps, and tbh that's part of the appeal for a lot of them. It's not difficult these days to get consensual no-strings-attached sex if that's all they wanted, with all the hookup apps and sites and fetish clubs out there, but they specifically seek out women (and girls and boys) to rent and abuse.
Jon Uhler worked as a psychiatrist with sex offenders in prison for decades, his videos on YouTube and his site are really good on explaining their mindsets and behaviour, and how they end up that way in the first place. I can't really think of any solution other than life imprisonment without parole or execution for them, and I would be entirely supportive of either one. Not to fedpost, but frankly if a man in my life told me he'd abused prostitution victims I'd be sorely tempted to handle it myself if the police wouldn't.