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Woman walking around town in suspenders and thong- empowering?!

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DoobryWhatsit · 04/04/2022 10:30

Instagram stunt, obviously. The "point" being made is apparently that there is nothing inherently sexual about female bodies, or the pieces of clothing that cover them (or not), and that if people view a woman in a teeny tiny bra, suspenders, thong and stilettos as sexual, then this just shows what an awful misogynistic society we live in.

The woman in question was particularly scathing of anyone crying "what about the CHILDREN!!", because yes, children exist, but so does her arse.

I mean, I kind of get the argument. Of course women shouldn't be seen as primarily existing for the titillation/gratification of men. But, we live in a society with accepted rules around decency. Sex is normal, but I feel very strongly that we shouldn't be exposing our children to sexualised images, and I'm afraid I do see sexy underwear as sexual! Am I a closet misogynist?

I don't know how many people will agree with me/understand what I'm getting at, but you lot are always really good at putting my "I really don't agree with this, but I can't quite form a coherent argument" feelings into actual words!

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 10/04/2022 12:56

It's the functionality of clothes. We, society, assigns a value, a meaning to things. All sorts of things, every thing, everywhere, everywhen. Each society, by era, geography, etc, has its own mores and everyone within that society learns them and live within them publicly.

People who do not are by social definition 'abherrant'. Sometimes that is unfair, mental health, disability etc. Sometimes it is a matter of choice and aberration is just a bit amusing. Other times it's tediously annoying, infuriating.

And this is one of those tedious times. Underwear is just that. A glimpse of bra strap is one thing, flash of knickers is another. But swishing up and down a main thoroughfare in your best Victoria's Secrets is exhibitionism, even if you do think you are Clark Kent's female alter ego! And exhibitionism is a social no no, for many reasons. Some good, some prudish, but all known.

So all these ladies need to understand is what they expected to get out of this, what did they want from it?

Because the things they are smirking about, giggling over, getting all self-righteous about are the very basic social mores that protect women, kids, vulnerable people from being abused. We can wear the equivalent clothing, skimpy shorts and a strappy top, outer clothing, even if lacy, us outer clothing. But underwear, black, lacy, the sort associated with sex not comfort, is always going to elicit that response when seen out in public.

So apart from "No shit, Sherlock" what do they want from this? Sex work is work? Women should be able to wear arseless knickers and see through bras and be neither cold nor stared at? Not judged as a tad odd? What?

darlingdodo · 10/04/2022 13:44

Might have had more truck with the argument if she'd been wearing hush puppies and a wincyette vest tbh.

allyjay · 14/04/2022 14:53

Basically just more male gaze bullshit. Not empowering at all. She basically just wants us to know how hot she is

Lpc3 · 15/04/2022 01:48

She will put the local strip club out of business at this rate.

ReggaetonLente · 15/04/2022 01:55

I saw this too and eyerolled. I'm a feminist, raising daughters - we're not shy about nudity in the home and I take them to public baths (live abroad) so they see a wide range of female body types just existing. I breastfeed and do it in public, discretely but no covers or anything. I feel like all that stuff will make more impact than this girl wandering around in stockings and a thong. It's not that her body is on show in public - it's that female bodies on show in public are almost always decorated for the male gaze.

They think they've done this really clever, controversial thing and it's just so... Not. And yet anyone critical of it is small minded and parochial.

I wish the girl in question just had the integrity to admit that despite not having the usual 'desirable' Instagram body type, she still wants to know people think she's sexy. That's what it's for, attention. Male attention. Pathetic.

sharksarecool · 15/04/2022 08:55

I think I would find it very empowering to fart loudly in a lift. It will safe me the discomfort of holding it, I can just be my true self.
But wait, what if other people don't want to smell my farts....? Then they are intolerant and small-minded.

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