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Ukrainian Surrogate Babies Kept Alive by Nannies
Delphinium20 · 13/03/2022 22:00
Most of the babies featured in this article look older than newborns - so how long have they been living away from a parent to bond with? I find this deeply disturbing. The article didn't go into the ages of the babies, but it's obvious most were born before the war started.
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so sad for them and their development
Delphinium20 · 17/03/2022 15:15
@AssignedBlobbyAtBirth
Bonding with a baby is so fundamental to development-how parents couldn't know this is disturbing
greenlynx · 17/03/2022 15:25
I don’t think parents have abandoned them deliberately. They need to come and collect their babies physically and it’s not easy. Travel was restricted because of Covid, and now the war is happening…
Also you need some sort of documents. I suspect you can’t just bring a baby to UK without any papers.
Delphinium20 · 17/03/2022 18:45
@greenlynx
Also you need some sort of documents. I suspect you can’t just bring a baby to UK without any papers.
The why did they commission them in the first place? The pandemic has been going on for 2 years. These babies aren't 3 years old.
Nnique · 17/03/2022 19:01
@HumptySumptious
This whole thing is awful - what have we become?
This.
The whole surrogacy thing is way past ethical boundaries and needs to be wound down altogether. Babies should not be ‘grown to order’, nor should one be able to commission them.
habibihabibi · 17/03/2022 19:09
I've very opposed to surrogacy and have spoken about my horrifying experiences of the shady business when I lived in Ukraine. It is a really vile practise and organised crime rings have their mitts into all aspects of the trade. Women are exploited and children born and abandoned
Ukraine has over 100,000 orphans in care and some are definately surrogacy no shows.
Patapouf · 17/03/2022 21:56
@greenlynx
Also you need some sort of documents. I suspect you can’t just bring a baby to UK without any papers.
Well yes, you shouldn't just be able to traffick a a baby home in your handbag should you.
Horrendous for those poor babies. I really detest commercial/organised surrogacy.
Delphinium20 · 18/03/2022 14:59
@habibihabibi
Ukraine has over 100,000 orphans in care and some are definately surrogacy no shows.
Wow! I hadn't considered organized crime. I suppose it's naive I hadn't.
@DuckyNoMates I'm a bit like you, but a few years back. The more I learn the more shocked I am. Like the organized crime bit habibihabibi mentioned today. I'd felt surrogacy was something I might do for my sister, but I'd adopt rather than ask someone myself. I wasn't focused on it beyond that. Then, my15 DD, after doing college searches on my computer, was sent a lot of ads to be an egg donor and down the rabbit hole I went. My anger at their manipulation of teenagers' media really kicked off my interest in what was happening in the surrogacy/egg donor industry.
habibihabibi · 18/03/2022 16:00
I would be very surprised if any of the Ukraine surrogacy organisations were squeaky clean ethically.
My experience saw school aged girls that were financially or abusively coerced into egg donation and surrogacy. Back yard baby factories feeding seemingly pristine clinics with kids.
Eggs changing hands for a fortune to fufill ethnicity requirements eg Asian donor egg and were illegally obtained for sure.
So a Chinese heterosexual couples eggs may be used in a gay couples surrogacy without the biological donor knowing.
Children who did not turn out as planned , dumped in orphanages. Women who died because of being surrogates.
habibihabibi · 18/03/2022 17:13
And yet MN has a surrogacy board because apparently it’s AOK?
And on there people will happily share their tales of how they got exactly what they wanted without a thought to the pain and exploitation behind it.
They met the surrogate and she was a lovely young woman supporting a child as she worked through college.
Only she wasn't your surrogate , she was just a pregnant poster girl. Yours is a pasty and poorly girl trafficked by a pimp in the part of the city far away from the shiny clinic. She gives birth to your child on order and a month later is inseminated with a stolen egg and some cashed up chaps sperm .
Abitofalark · 18/03/2022 19:19
Article by Mary Harrington in UnHerd about surrogacy:
"Commercial surrogacy is big business, predicted to turn over some $27bn worldwide by 2025. ... After the USA, Ukraine is the second most popular destination worldwide for surrogacy, with an estimated 2,000 babies born to paid gestational surrogates there every year. And now, numerous such babies are being born only to find themselves stranded in a warzone, with the commissioning customers unable to collect their order.
The press has published piteous photos of rows of tiny cribs, each of which contains a newborn baby, separated at birth from a mother paid only to gestate but not to love it. These babies are cared for not with the rapt, intimate attention of a loving mother but on a production-line basis by paid nursing staff.
This treatment of living humans as products is profoundly dystopian."
Read more:
unherd.com/thepost/where-are-dave-rubins-babies-coming-from/?mc_cid=9c8f9683a6&mc_eid=31e133b3a4
AppleButter · 19/03/2022 15:02
I have another article here, in German, but you se the details of how intensively the babies are having to be “reared” , I am sure the nurses are working round the clock and working very hard, but it is unlikely they will more more than a few minutes per baby. The poor poor babies will all have to cry themselves to sleep, learn to self soothe, will really lack the physical closeness and bonding that a newborn needs. It is an emergency that shows up , in neutral language, “flaws” of the system, it is a baby farm in a bunker. I wonder how many will be affected by the lack of bonding, and later on given up by the parents that ordered them. www.spiegel.de/ausland/leihmutterschaft-in-der-ukraine-ein-bunker-voller-babys-a-4a514c55-097a-4818-b379-98e5a82c7a67
OhHolyJesus · 19/03/2022 18:51
@habibihabibi
Ukraine has over 100,000 orphans in care and some are definately surrogacy no shows.
In relation to organised crime, there is a webinar tonight which has one talk looking at surrogacy and the Mafia.
twitter.com/wombsnotforrent/status/1505149618782416899?s=21
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