Dave Chapelle - thank you

[RealDinosaurofBarnardCastle]

Really recommend his new show on Netflix- he is on the side of feminism and sanity. Thanks Dave ❤️

Did I think he had beaten up a woman?

I don't know - he said he had. How would I know otherwise?

I agree with him on the issue at hand, but can't get on board with his support for DaBaby, or painting him as some poor innocent ruthlessly hounded out of a living by the PC brigade for a few "harmless" comments. The things he said were vile. Chappelle can do one if that's the kind of culture war he wants me to collude in.

Your take is that Chapelle is starting a culture war, rather than responding to one?

''Chappelle joked he wanted to "negotiate the release of DaBaby" with the LGBTQ community.
He also stated DaBaby shot and killed a man in 2018, claiming self-defense, but that he felt his action was not taken as seriously as his homophobic comments.
"Nothing bad happened to his career" after the incident, the comedian continued.''
www.the-sun.com/entertainment/celebrity/3806871/what-dave-chappelle-said-dababy-netflix-special-closer/

I don't usually watch comedy as dark/edgy/offensive as this so it was a bit of an uncomfortable watch for me. I think he meant it to be.

He certainly made jokes about male violence against women that I could have taken offence at if I heard the "jokes" out of context - because violence isn't funny. But I was also impressed by how he could make people laugh at something inappropriate but at the same time use that humour to hammer home a point. It wasn't that MVAW is funny, it's that he could use a silly/exaggerated situation to remind the audience of the power dynamics that exist and make connections between different experiences. Like holding up a mirror to society for people to see.

I got the impression (perhaps wrongly because I knew the topic was coming up) that the woman in the club was a transwomen. Not that that's okay either but I think he was trying to show the absurdity.

I think he made his points about race very well. I don't think I'd choose to watch this kind of thing for entertainment regularly but I'm glad I did watch it as I think it gave me insight into the difference between saying e.g sexist jokes to put down women, versus using uncomfortable humour that acknowledges sexism and laughs at men too. I don't think I would have understood the difference without feeling it. I think if you are reading a couple of lines out of context, and thinking "but that's not funny" you could miss the heart of what he was doing and why he was challenging the audience.

I didn't know about him before this special and I'd probably not agree with him on everything. But I thought he was good at using shocking things to make people think, even if his approach is not my cup of tea, he was certainly skilled at it.

He’s a homophobe masquerading as a ‘truthsayer’ - using one community, black people, against another, LGBTQ, and apparently ignoring the fact that people can be both black and queer.
Watch or don’t watch it. He’s not getting ‘cancelled’ anytime soon, he’s making everyone too much money.

I particularly loved the bit where he claimed he beat up a ‘butch lesbian’. Hilarious. What.A.Man.
Being a lesbian, I have come across men like him, unfortunately,
Many, many times. Though not being butch myself, I have
Managed to avoid physical fights with them for the most part.

@DollyPartBaked

They won't be able to cancel Dave Chapelle. He's too big. Like the Jk Rowling of comedy - he's too big and too rich! With a solid track record.

And he’s a man, which helps with these things.

Jimmy Carr is another one I can’t stand- but he’s on tv all the time too earning a fortune with rape jokes And misogyny.

He makes a point that we have to listen

Dont hit women because you are stronger
Don't get in a physical fight with a man because he will be stronger than you

If we have equality why should a (wo)man who is in a nightclub gets drunk and starts a verbal fight over their girlfriend escalates it to a physical (beautiful boxers punch thrown?) fight not get hit (open palm slap?) back?

PS she is a Lesbian (Lgbt) who suffered actual physical harm anybody see Netflix employees staging a walk out?

Why is a Black man being shot in a Walmart shop by a Rap star not a career killer but words kill it?

Is it still available and is it worth £5.99?!

[quote Reptar]Your take is that Chapelle is starting a culture war, rather than responding to one?

''Chappelle joked he wanted to "negotiate the release of DaBaby" with the LGBTQ community.
He also stated DaBaby shot and killed a man in 2018, claiming self-defense, but that he felt his action was not taken as seriously as his homophobic comments.
"Nothing bad happened to his career" after the incident, the comedian continued.''
www.the-sun.com/entertainment/celebrity/3806871/what-dave-chappelle-said-dababy-netflix-special-closer/[/quote]
"If you didn't show up today with HIV/AIDS, or any of them deadly sexually transmitted diseases that'll make you die in two to three weeks, then put a cellphone light in the air. Ladies, if your pussy smell like water, put a cellphone light in the air. Fellas, if you ain't sucking dick in the parking lot, put a cellphone light in the air."

My "take" is that this is beyond the pale, and the person who said it deserves to be cancelled from the fucking human race, not just a few social media plateforms. I have no intention of siding with or supporting anyone who condones it, as Chappelle did in his final show (which I watched) when he complained about how terrible it was that all the horrible nasty wokies are cancelling DaBaby, because "taking away a man's livelihood is equivalent to killing them", you know. (Whereas taking away their fundamental human dignity is, apparently, just a barrel of laughs, as long as they're a dirty poof and don't deserve any in the first place).

@logsonlogsoff

He’s a homophobe masquerading as a ‘truthsayer’ - using one community, black people, against another, LGBTQ, and apparently ignoring the fact that people can be both black and queer. Watch or don’t watch it. He’s not getting ‘cancelled’ anytime soon, he’s making everyone too much money.

This ^

The antisemitism in it is appalling. I am very gender critical but it has really upset me how silent the majority of my 'allies' have been about this aspect of it, even when it is pointed out to them.

Just because he's right about one thing doesn't make it OK to excuse/ ignore/overlook his horrendous anti-Jewish material.

There are gender critical voices who aren't fucking antisemites, you know.

@Fifteentoes

Who got shot in Walmart?

Who pulled a gun and shot a man in WalMart?

@BudgeSquare perhaps because his ‘space Jews’
‘Joke’ doesn’t seem as In Your face as much of the homophobia.the guy’s a tool IMHO and more to the point, just not funny most of the time. That ‘Space Jews’ line was just pointless, not funny, but there are some out there that’ll argue it’s some kind of searing, insight into Zionism or some shite.

[quote logsonlogsoff]@BudgeSquare perhaps because his ‘space Jews’
‘Joke’ doesn’t seem as In Your face as much of the homophobia.the guy’s a tool IMHO and more to the point, just not funny most of the time. That ‘Space Jews’ line was just pointless, not funny, but there are some out there that’ll argue it’s some kind of searing, insight into Zionism or some shite.[/quote]
It wasn't just 'stupid' and 'pointless' if you understand the context of what he was saying. It plays on and reinforces some of the worst aspects of contemporary antisemitism.

I agree it wasn't funny either

@SolasAnla the rapper DaBaby got in a fight with a man a Walmart and shot him.
He’s a rapper who lost some of his sponsorship deals when he had a lovely homophobic rant during a gig in Miami, which Chapelle says is unfair cos a man needs to make
Money.
Hip hop has massive issues around homophobia and DaBaby losing money may hopefully have some affect in that. And if you don’t want your record label to get pissed off with you then maybe don’t go off on gay
people for no apparent reason in front of thousands of people on camera.

[quote SolasAnla]**@Fifteentoes

Who got shot in Walmart?

Who pulled a gun and shot a man in WalMart?[/quote]
What's that got to do with my post?

The reason DaBaby didn’t go to jail for the shooting was because it was deemed self defence -
The guy attacked him first. There is no law around proportionate response/force in Florida like there is here. If someone attacks you then yes you can pull
A gun to defend yourself.

Oh hang on I think I get it -

The idea is that DaBaby's horrific dehumanising homophobia is OK and he shouldn't be cancelled for it, because he's ALSO a murderer and that's so much worse (?)

I also agree with PPs that, all shock value or moral judgement of content aside, Chappelle just isn't very funny. The space jews thing, like several other segments, seemed really contrived. The lead up to the punchline didn't seem natural, it seemed like he'd started with the punchline and then thought "how can I make this work". That's probably how most comedy writing happens I suppose but the idea is that it isn't supposed to appear that way. When it's good, the preamble just seems natural and believable, so the punchline is a surprise when it comes.

I don't know whether that's his or his writers' fault, but it all seemed pretty "meh" to me.

‘ Oh hang on I think I get it -

The idea is that DaBaby's horrific dehumanising homophobia is OK and he shouldn't be cancelled for it, because he's ALSO a murderer and that's so much worse (?)’

I think you’ve nailed it! If you can get a slap in the wrist ( for carrying a concealed
Weapon) for killing a man then why should lose gigs for your rancid homophobic remarks.
Maybe what Chapelle is missing is that maybe, just maybe, the guy should have got in trouble for both. The whole you can kill a guy but not hurt a gays feelings crap is just that absolute CRAP.
Somehow the super dodgy gun laws in the US are down to us homos now? We’re making such a fuss about being left to lead our lives without abuse that people are getting away with murder??

@Fifteentoes

Oh hang on I think I get it -

The idea is that DaBaby's horrific dehumanising homophobia is OK and he shouldn't be cancelled for it, because he's ALSO a murderer and that's so much worse (?)

No. The point is DaBaby shot and killed a black man and no one batted an eyelid. But as soon as he said some hurtful words, he got cancelled.

As Chappelle said brilliantly in (IMO) the best line of the show: trans people are the most oppressed minority until they need to be white.

Rapper kills Black 19 year old in local "Tesoc"

Rapper subsequently speaks words into open mike in public and has to be punished

A examination of social class and privileged positions of power

logsonlogsoff
From media reports
The shooting death was in Huntersville North Carolina, he claim was self-defence using an "illegal" gun (guilty plea) but the even (killing a person) did not go to trial as a key witness apparently refused to testify
The Florida shooting was outside a night club and he was a witness not a participant in the multi-shooter gun fight

@SolasAnla from the Charlotte Observer, NC

‘Prosecutors have dismissed their case against Charlotte rapper DaBaby in connection with a fatal shooting in a Huntersville Walmart, a spokeswoman for the Mecklenburg County District Attorney’s Office confirmed to The Charlotte Observer on Saturday.

‘Police said 19-year-old Jalyn Craig was shot and killed Nov. 5 during a fight in the store on Bryton Town Center Drive.