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Couzens shared racist & misogynistic WhatsApp messages with fellow officers

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ScreamingMeMe · 01/10/2021 09:51

Another red flag missed/ignored.

I feel more sickened and angry with this case and the state of our police every day.

metro.co.uk/2021/10/01/sarah-everard-murder-wayne-couzens-sent-racist-whatsapp-messages-to-fellow-cops-15346285/amp/?ito=upday

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 01/10/2021 10:19

There have been several news stories about other police officers who do this, it's positively common.

They've all kept their jobs, of course.

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poorbuthappy · 01/10/2021 10:22

We are not surprised by this.
What does surprise me is people turning up and claiming this shit isn't institutionalised.
Bad apples my arse.

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VikingVolva · 01/10/2021 10:27

I'm hoping that the outcry over the 'stop single girl' meme will have made some difference, and I hope it's not too long before the IOPC rules on that case.

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AdelindSchade · 01/10/2021 10:41

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jay55 · 01/10/2021 10:45

It's like the officers who took selfies with the dead bodies of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman. The culture that has produced all these incidents is utterly rotten.

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ScreamingMeMe · 01/10/2021 15:36

@jay55

It's like the officers who took selfies with the dead bodies of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman. The culture that has produced all these incidents is utterly rotten.

It is. Lots more needs to be done to identify and weed out these people.

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katemuff · 01/10/2021 15:45

The some of boys in DDs year at school have a hate filled misogynistic WhatsApp group, my son found out that the men in his halls of residence did. In both cases reporting it made things difficult for the whistle blower whilst nothing was done to stop the males. My deduction is that a majority of men are aware of these groups and cover up/accept it and a reasonable number join in and really enjoy it.

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katemuff · 01/10/2021 15:46

Meant to add DH works in a factory and is aware of 4 different misogyny WhatsApp groups sharing porn

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JuneOsborne · 01/10/2021 15:51

Incidents of this nature are investigated robustly? Like when he flashed to McDonald's the day before he did this? Yeah, really robust. Fills me with complete confidence. Not.

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WizardOfAus · 01/10/2021 16:34

You only have to look at the number of threads on here from horrified women when they discover their husband/partners misogynistic WhatsApp group full of porn and “banter” about women.

Porn is the root cause. I despair for my two young boys as I feel like I’m never going to be able to shield them from the tsunami of misogyny out there.

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LaBellina · 01/10/2021 16:40

This isn’t the first time I heard about such what’s app groups among police officers, apparently it’s common in other countries as well. So I’m not surprised. This is one of the least shocking details that came out (in my opinion) I was much more shocked that a man with the nickname ‘the rapist’, someone with a history of indecent exposure, could keep working this job.

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nettie434 · 01/10/2021 18:29

What is so disturbing about this report is the contrast between these internal groups and all the virtue signalling in public. Greater Manchester police still has not improved its response to serious victims of crime in the four years since a critical report in 2017 by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary.

The police (as a body, not all individual officers) were angry when the McPherson report accused the police of institutional racism but racism and misogyny seem just as prevalent as in the 1980s.

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Postdatedpandemic · 01/10/2021 18:34

WC's mistake was to pick in a naice middle class white lass. How many times had he practiced on BAME WC women?

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BrandineDelRoy · 01/10/2021 18:38

@Postdatedpandemic

WC's mistake was to pick in a naice middle class white lass. How many times had he practiced on BAME WC women?

I thought his targets were Eastern European prostituted women.

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Postdatedpandemic · 01/10/2021 19:14

@BrandineDelRoy who ever his targets were, we need to acknowledge that Sarah was deeply unlikely to be his first victim.

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BrandineDelRoy · 01/10/2021 19:17

[quote Postdatedpandemic]@BrandineDelRoy who ever his targets were, we need to acknowledge that Sarah was deeply unlikely to be his first victim.[/quote]
Definitely. It's just that his earlier assaults on prostituted women were legal.

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LorenzoVonMatterhorn · 01/10/2021 19:20

Is there any way to access records! To know whether any officers, who knew him as the rapist, made any reports against him?

Becuse if they didnt, yet knew he was a danger, they need sacking.
And if they did, and he was still an officer, some fucker much higher needs sacking.

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Lollipop444 · 01/10/2021 19:39

Misogyny is rife, not just the police. Racism too it seems.

I remember when I was a student I had to go and watch a surgeon in theatre as part of my training.. I was young (20ish). They were operating on a female and were mainly men. The amount of disgusting comments they made about her (naked) body were disgusting. This was 25/years ago So it’s not a new thing. Totally depressing.

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BrandineDelRoy · 01/10/2021 19:43

@Lollipop444

Misogyny is rife, not just the police. Racism too it seems.

I remember when I was a student I had to go and watch a surgeon in theatre as part of my training.. I was young (20ish). They were operating on a female and were mainly men. The amount of disgusting comments they made about her (naked) body were disgusting. This was 25/years ago So it’s not a new thing. Totally depressing.

Men think sex is a joke.

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mswales · 01/10/2021 20:05

It's well documented that police forces don't take proper action (if any) when their officers are reported for domestic abuse or sexual violence. Earlier this year it came out that a Met officer had carried on serving during a criminal investigation into allegations he had raped two of his fellow officers. Eventually the CPS said there wasn't a realistic prospect of a charge, but the Criminal Compensation Authority awarded the women £28k saying police evidence showed they had been raped and abused. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56581835. He carried on serving.
Then there's the case where a volunteer constable was taken on as a trainee detective despite years of reports of him assaulting his partner including texts confirming this - he texted her parents "I will probably end up killing your daughter" but rather than investigating him the Met pursued her for harassment. www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2021-06-15/years-of-living-in-fear-police-still-failing-partners-of-violent-officers.
The Bureau of Investigative Journalism has reported dozens of similar cases. Couzens was NOT a bad apple, there is a systemic problem.

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YourFinestPantaloons · 01/10/2021 20:14

@poorbuthappy

We are not surprised by this.
What does surprise me is people turning up and claiming this shit isn't institutionalised.
Bad apples my arse.

This, in spates.

After Harold Shipman, the medical community changed drastically to ensure patient safety and protection.

I wonder if the same overhauls will happen within the police to protect women.
Well that's a silly thing to say really, of course they won't, because no one gives a shit about women

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BrandineDelRoy · 01/10/2021 20:31

I think Harold Shipman and physicians is a good comparison.

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Adarajames · 01/10/2021 22:41

I was involved in the search for Sarah (I’m not police), a number of the male police / search team were heard making derogatory comments about her whilst waiting to be briefed to search, along the lines of ‘she’s just a slag, gone off with some other bloke she picked up’ amidst laughter and sneering comments. It’s not just one or 2 of them. (Although I also know a few good ones, so it’s not all police either)

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BrandineDelRoy · 01/10/2021 22:45

@Adarajames

I was involved in the search for Sarah (I’m not police), a number of the male police / search team were heard making derogatory comments about her whilst waiting to be briefed to search, along the lines of ‘she’s just a slag, gone off with some other bloke she picked up’ amidst laughter and sneering comments. It’s not just one or 2 of them. (Although I also know a few good ones, so it’s not all police either)

What do men who say these things think when they're faced with reality? Do they still excuse it? Do they claim NAMALT and scurry away?

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Mamabearno1 · 02/10/2021 17:11

My friend was groomed by a serving police officer/family friend at the time. She was groomed from being 8 years old and they started a sexual relationship when she was 13 (he in his 30s), when she left the ‘relationship’ (late teens) he stalked her for 5 years, it wasn’t until she met her current partner (also a domestic abuser unfortunately) that she reported him, she spent over 7 hours in the police station that night reporting him, he is still a police officer. How? I have no idea but he is.

No matter how much we report them, they protect their ‘own’ in some sick ‘saving face’ way. They should hang their heads in shame (all police officers) right now, they are absolutely not doing their job and I trust zero of them but especially the male officers.

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