Incredible heroism of Afghani women today

[mokojolo]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58450230
www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/4/women-march-in-kabul-to-demand-role-in-taliban-government

Day two of protests in Kabul and Herat from astoundingly brave women fighting for the rights of women in Afghanistan under the Taliban. How can we help them? I feel we must-- it's our duty to stand behind these women. What can we do?

[quote CBUK2K2]@mokojolo What have you done to support the countless brave young (overwhelmingly male) people who have been been in Afghanistan for the past 20 years to give all Afghans freedom and security?[/quote]
As for this: I pay taxes that pay their wages, and let’s just remember when people tell us to be grateful for male protection, that that protection is only ever needed against other males.

As for this: I pay taxes that pay their wages, and let’s just remember when people tell us to be grateful for male protection, that that protection is only ever needed against other males.

Aside from female suicide bombers and terrorists like Samantha Lewthwaite and Shamima Begum.

Where is all this stuff that I keep seeing about women who say shit this is awful wanting loads of soldiers sent back and more chaos coming from?

Maybe check some of the recent threads.

Oooh nice stirry comment there!

Please can you link to threads on here where large numbers of women were saying while the withdrawal was happening or since, that they want UK/ everyone to go back in again specifically to help women?

I've not seen it so would be useful.

Suicide bombers are by definition dead aren't they?

Sorry just got a bit. Eh? There.

@NiceGerbil

Oooh nice stirry comment there!

Please can you link to threads on here where large numbers of women were saying while the withdrawal was happening or since, that they want UK/ everyone to go back in again specifically to help women?

I've not seen it so would be useful.

Given that I'm about to go to bed to get up in six hours time, I'm not going to trawl though the many threads looking for posts.

Loads of people have said 'we' need to go back/shouldn't have left, and there are also plenty saying "ok, so when are you flying out?" or saying that a loved one has done three hours and they absolutely don't want them going back, etc

Also fair few blaming the Afghan men for 'not fighting back' against the Taliban.

Three tours not hours.

Well it's a chat board with loads of people on it. Absolutely loads.

A lot of people in general have views that are, well. How they are.

I think your issue is with people in general then? I mean if you read any MSM comments around this etc you will find all sorts of views.

I've been on some Afghanistan threads and the views are imo pretty unpleasant a fair amount of them.

I don't see how this supports your statement tbh. Most posters seem very preoccupied with terrorists getting to the UK.

These women are amazing.

Anyway as of today afghan women aren't allowed to play sports any more as they might be in a position where they reveal their hair and/or body, which is 'against Islam'.

I know a bit about Islam from my Husband. What non Muslim don’t know is that the profit Mohammed was believed to run with his wife (Aicha). His first wife was also a businesswoman (Khadija). It is essential women in Afghanistan can get educated and work. This is what protects them from total control from men. It is also essential for the economy. Can the taliban be persuaded, possibly if they want a functioning society. There is a mindset that women need to be completely controlled by men. This imo isn’t Islamic but cultural.

@mokojolo

I guess I will power on through and try once more...

So I'm already a member of the WLUML solidarity network, since way back, but I don't REALLY know if WLUML is still working in Afghanistan or if it's a good choice to donate to in this climate. Does anyone else?

Rushing so don't know if anyone else has said this, apologies if repepating:

Baroness Emma Nicholson is asking people to donate to the charity she founded some years ago, AMAR, that works in the Middle East.

"Please tell everyone you know.AMAR is in need of funds to evacuate Women Judges;Taliban already executing and we don’t have time to waste."

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1433833288343359492

See Amar details

www.amarfoundation.org/who-we-are/celebrating-25-years/message-amars-founder/ and the patron is Prince Charles www.amarfoundation.org/who-we-are/patron/ (I mention only as people are wary of donating to charities they might not have heard of before).

and donation link

uk.virginmoneygiving.com/donation-web/charity?charityId=1003999

@ColorMagicBarbie

As for this: I pay taxes that pay their wages, and let’s just remember when people tell us to be grateful for male protection, that that protection is only ever needed against other males.

Aside from female suicide bombers and terrorists like Samantha Lewthwaite and Shamima Begum.

Men are just desperate to blame women for life the universe and everything aren’t they? There is no rationality left in it. We should have the laws of misogyny pinned to the top of these boards. And meanwhile, is harassing women really the only hobby you two have? Do you really think it shows off your strengths?

mokojolo, the people harassing you here don’t sound like feminists snd are not names I recognise from feminist discussions. Some people can’t bear to see womn talking to eachother, and have to disrupt. Most of us here are with you.

Moko, agree. The bravery of women in Afghanistan prepared to stand up for their rights when they have no idea when (and I'm sure it's when, not if, and I know the taliban have already killed those going against their rule) they will be rounded up, is astounding.

Men are just desperate to blame women for life the universe and everything aren’t they? There is no rationality left in it. We should have the laws of misogyny pinned to the top of these boards. And meanwhile, is harassing women really the only hobby you two have? Do you really think it shows off your strengths?

Bit of a strange reply considering that the post you take issue with was responding to a post blaming men. Feminists love to moan about men. It's their prerogative but please stop pretending you speak 'on behalf of women' when less than 10% of UK women identify as feminists.

Going back to the OT, I always wonder if part it the issue is that a lot of people actually support Sharia law, especially the older generation. I remember a study of UK Muslims a few years back and I'm pretty sure it was approaching 50% that supported elements of it. I'd imagine those who haven't grown up in the UK may hold even more traditional views.

"There are relatively large levels of support among British Muslims for the implementation of elements of Sharia law," Policy Exchange said.

43% said they supported "the introduction of Sharia Law" and just 22% were opposed. 16% of British Muslims "strongly support" the "introduction of aspects of Sharia law into Britain".

40% supported gender segregated education and 41% opposed, but 44% "supported the idea that schools should be able to insist on the hijab or niqab".

www.secularism.org.uk/news/2016/12/over-40-percent-of-uk-muslims-support-aspects-of-sharia-law

@ColorMagicBarbie

Men are just desperate to blame women for life the universe and everything aren’t they? There is no rationality left in it. We should have the laws of misogyny pinned to the top of these boards. And meanwhile, is harassing women really the only hobby you two have? Do you really think it shows off your strengths?

Bit of a strange reply considering that the post you take issue with was responding to a post blaming men. Feminists love to moan about men. It's their prerogative but please stop pretending you speak 'on behalf of women' when less than 10% of UK women identify as feminists.

You should probably stop tossing that 10% figure around, @ColorMagicBarbie, as it's an obvious misrepresentation of the reality of support for feminist ideas. 67% of people support equality for women and men, the issue is with whether people choose a specific label for themselves. Not that they are against the aims of feminism itself.

You should probably stop tossing that 10% figure around, @ColorMagicBarbie, as it's an obvious misrepresentation of the reality of support for feminist ideas. 67% of people support equality for women and men, the issue is with whether people choose a specific label for themselves. Not that they are against the aims of feminism itself.

No, I think it's a pretty accurate representation. The same study found that nearly three quarters supported equality despite only 7% wanting to be called a feminist.

Feminism and equality aren't the same because feminists won't fight for male issues.

Feminism benefits all of society including men. It's really quite funny that you find it offensive that feminism is focused on the rights of women, and not men.

Feminism and equality aren't the same because feminists won't fight for male issues.

And nor should we. The clue's in the name.

@AssassinatedBeauty

Feminism benefits all of society including men. It's really quite funny that you find it offensive that feminism is focused on the rights of women, and not men.

I don't find it offensive at all, I just find all the 'feminism is great for men' stuff disingenuous. I thought men were meant to be really privileged, hence the saying 'giving up one's privilege can feel like oppression' or however it goes.

Not that they shouldn't give up certain privileges in terms of how some things are biased, but it's not going to feel like a benefit when they are used to privilege.

That said, I do think dismantling toxic masculinity is good and allowing men to shake free the whole 'boys don't cry'/'man up' stereotypes.

less than 10% of UK women identify as feminists. ... The same study found that nearly three quarters supported equality despite only 7% wanting to be called a feminist.

Could you give us a link to that study, please, ColorMagicBarbie? I'd be interested to see who carried it out, on behalf of which organisation, and how the questions were worded.

If nearly 3/4 supported equality for men and women, but only 7% wanted to be called feminists, it suggests that participants support feminist policies but don't want to be labelled.

But I'd need to read the study to understand more.

Thank you.