Man held by police after pregnant wife falls to her death from Arthur’s Seat in Edinburgh

[CallMeRisley]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/04/man-held-newlywed-bride-fell-death-arthurs-seat-honeymoon/

Terrible story, RIP Fawziyah.

[Teaandcakeordeath83]

How awful. Utter heart breaking.

[Hekatestorch]

I read this earlier. Before it even mentioned anyone else, I just knew.

Its utterly soul destroying.

[OneBigMother]

This isn't the first time this has happened.

There's been a few over the years.

The one that I remember most was around 2006 when a 50 something Dutch man pushed his 18 year old wife off for the insurance. He pretended his tripped because he didn't want her to think he was a murderer.

[Gilmorehill]

Poor woman .

[DramaAlpaca]

It's truly awful. Poor woman

[NonnyMouse1337]

This is so awful and heartbreaking!!

[BunnytheFriendlyDragon]

He pretended his tripped because he didn't want her to think he was a murderer

He pretended what?

Sad story. No mention of witnesses but I suppose there wouldn't be.

[CallMeRisley]

The quotes in the article from “the groom’s father” are

“They were very happy. They were married in December, last year, and had a marriage party at the Aakash restaurant, in Cleckheaton, on Monday. It was a very good party, everyone was happy. On Tuesday afternoon they went to Edinburgh for their holiday. It was just a holiday, not a honeymoon. She was my daughter in law, but I don’t know if she was pregnant or not.”

Is it terribly presumptuous of me to wonder whether it wa some kind of arranged marriage

[IndecentCakes]

It's fairly common in Islam, doesn't really explain much though. My understanding is that you don't have to marry them if you meet and don't like each other but I'm not sure - maybe someone else knows.

[HungryHippo11]

Kind of weird that they had a statement from the man's father but nothing from her own family. A couple of Facebook comments from her (male) cousin and uncle.

[endofthelinefinally]

So much in that article that raises red flags. I hope he doesn't get away with it.

[Hekatestorch]

That statement is so odd. Maybe it's something lost in translation. Or English isn't his first language.

But it really didn't read as something from someone's whose sons wife had just died in an accident. It sounds like a statement made from 'a neighbour' that the media gets from hanging around the area from someone quite removed the family.

My dad is Indian. The 'are arranged marriages just introductions or forced' is a grey area. There is introductions, where you don't have to marry the person if either person doesn't want to. That's usually what most people will say an arranged marriage is 'it's just an introduction.

I also grew up with a lot of friends from other cultures and religious. In the Indian community (even where they are of different religions) and the Muslim community (from different countries and cultures) lots of 'introductions' are actually forced marriages, labelled as Introductions.

In lots (not all) there's definitely a culture of saying its an introduction, but everyone knows they don't have a choice. Especially the women. Either they have been brought up and conditioned to do as their family (usually male members) tell them or they may be physically threatened into it. Threatened to be cut off from the family, told they will be shaming family if they say no, told they will be physically harmed if they don't.

Also where it is a genuine introduction, my general observation is that, if the man doesn't want to marry that holds far more weight. So if the man says yes and teh woman says no, there's often a bit of pressure applied to the women. Not forced but an attempt to try and convince them.

I am not saying this is a forced marriage. I have no clue. Or that this is the case in most marriages where parents made the introductions. Or that it had impacted what's happened here at all.

I am just answering the point about the grey area when it comes to introduction or arranged marriages.

[endofthelinefinally]

It is clear that Fawziyah was university educated, was socially active in charity work and had a professional job. All prior to her marriage.
I have a lot of family and friends in W. Yorks. It is not unusual for a female work colleague to get married and immediately give up her career and disappear from their work/ social circle. A lovely, very bright girl my niece worked with was married to a "cousin". Very much against her will. It was very upsetting.

[VikingVolva]

He's been arrested, not charged (yet?)

We suspect it's the husband because the newspapers helpfully included age of man arrested and age of husband and they match. But until he's charged we won't know for sure.

I think speculating on nature of the marriage, based it seems solely on the name and assumptions made on basis of family statement, is terribly presumptuous.

I expect we'll know idc what factors are in play here.

[LegendaryReady]

@HungryHippo11

Kind of weird that they had a statement from the man's father but nothing from her own family. A couple of Facebook comments from her (male) cousin and uncle.

Would you be giving statements to the press if your daughter had just died suddenly in uncertain circumstances? The family have asked for privacy. Why would you speculate on why they haven't spoken?

[Nosferatussidebit]

@IndecentCakes

It's fairly common in Islam, doesn't really explain much though. My understanding is that you don't have to marry them if you meet and don't like each other but I'm not sure - maybe someone else knows.

There's a difference between an arranged marriage and a forced marriage. I have a couple of friends who have had arranged marriages, they could have chosen not to marry the person after getting to know them but they're very happy. I also have a friend who is a survivor of a for ed marriage, it was a very very different situation. And a friend who escaped prior to a forced marriage.

[millenialblush]

@VikingVolva he was charged yesterday.

[CallMeRisley]

@VikingVolva

He's been arrested, not charged (yet?)

We suspect it's the husband because the newspapers helpfully included age of man arrested and age of husband and they match. But until he's charged we won't know for sure.

I think speculating on nature of the marriage, based it seems solely on the name and assumptions made on basis of family statement, is terribly presumptuous.

I expect we'll know idc what factors are in play here.

Sorry I don’t understand your last sentence:

I expect we’ll know idc what factors are in play here

Do you mean you know what factors are in play or don’t know what factors are in play? If you know, what are they? Thanks

[Seymour5]

In due course, eventually.

[ShowOfHands]

Statements from family in these cases are usually less a statement and more disjointed answers to questions from determined press, cobbled together to look like something they aren't.

I really don't think we need to speculate right now. The family have asked for privacy and it will be reported in due course.

[CallMeRisley]

@Seymour5

In due course, eventually.

Ahh ok thank you, I thought “idc” means “I don’t care” as in a text conversation:
-“where shall we go for dinner?”
-“idc”

[Branleuse]

i thought idc was i dont care too

I also think it may well be a coerced marriage :(

[liveforsummer]

I wondered if the pregnancy was an issue along side the possibility of arranged/forced marriage. I suppose it's unhelpful to speculate though.

[liveforsummer]

Just read that he has been charged with murder, made no plea but the article states he's been 'committed for further examination' whilst remanded in custody.

[Orgasmagorical]

I was just coming in to start a thread about this report on the BBC. "Man charged with murder over Arthur's Seat fall".

So often they report women being "raped" or "sexually assaulted" but this man has been charged with Fawziyah Javed's murder but they're not putting fall in inverted commas.

Is there a reason for this, does anyone know?