The tiger that came to tea

[Mango1982]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9920825/Tiger-Came-Tea-lead-rape-harassment-campaigner-claims.html

This kind of nonsense is why I am not a feminist and it really hurts your cause it’s exactly in the same vain as company’s saying pregnant people

It’s bat shit

Some feminists were saying it promotes sexist stereotypes

Iam a stay at home mother their is nothing wrong with that and I do get the feeling that feminists hate the traditional family set up and I don’t understand why
I am not being made to stay at home if anything I felt pressure to work in the past witch ended up being harmful to my mental health and my family

Why shouldn’t girls be able to feel ok with wanting to be a stay at home and raise their children if that’s something they think they would like to do

HeddaAga

Tilting at windmills are we Mango?
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I don’t know what that means but it sounds like a diss so I will say no

Forward to 9:24.

This is a better version!

Feminists aren't frothing at the mouth collectively and wailing and crying and threatening and campaigning to have the book banned. That's the TRA's approach when something offends them. Go have a pop at them for being hysterical.

@Mango1982

We just want stuff we like left alone if you don’t like it don’t buy it for your kids lots of woke books on sale now it’s that fact the woke always trying to ban things for others

Are you actually listening to anyone? The majority of this thread is filled with feminists saying that a couple of folk have declared this, and the Daily Fail have turned it into a good headline. There's literally nothing more to it. Respectfully, get a grip.

We just want stuff we like left alone if you don’t like it don’t buy it for your kids lots of woke books on sale now it’s that fact the woke always trying to ban things for others

@Mango1982 what are you talking about? Who is talking about banning the book? Are feminists woke? You do know that you can only vote because of 'feminists' or have you given your voting rights up? Whilst your at it you should give your bank account up too.

This is just one woman's opinion, you sound unhinged.

I do get the feeling that feminists hate the traditional family set up and I don’t understand why

Because you don't understand feminism. Feminism isn't about hating the 'traditional' family set up - its about equality.

As its that push for equality that pushed our daughters in to university, have us maternity pay, gave us maternity rights with in work, gave us contraception, allowed us to have bank accounts, allowed us to receive our parents inheritance ect..

Its just about men and women having an equal chance at life.

If people choose to take on a 'traditional role' with in the home they should be confident in that decision and not get upset or blame other women who would rather live a different way.

If you have ever took a contraceptive pill its because of two activist women who enlisted scientists and doctors to make it. So whilst you get angry at 'feminists' you need to take a long hard look at all the benefits that you have because of them.

@KimikosNightmare

When asked where they would go for tea if there was no food in the house the best suggestion I got was 'go to your nan's then you won't have to pay

Really? That was the best suggestion? Go to another woman's house and expect her to cook for them?

Oh come on, they were young child pp was teaching. Little boys and girls suggesting going to nans for tea are hardly thinking "Oh yes, let's go to another woman's house who will cook unpaid for me", from an sexist viewpoint! Children's worlds are small so if hypothetically mum or dad has no food then they Nan will.

Nan always did! @Bbq1

@Mango1982

We just want stuff we like left alone if you don’t like it don’t buy it for your kids lots of woke books on sale now it’s that fact the woke always trying to ban things for others

Oh god you're one of those. Just for absolute clarity no one genuinely wants to ban this book (or maybe one person does but there is no actual support for it), just like no one is trying to ban baa baa black sheep, rename Christmas or abolish the poppy. One outlier who has their views amplified by the dm does not represent an entire movement of people.

"Also those deriding the daily Mail just remember they are the ones currently standing up for women’s sex based rights it’s symptomatic of the woke times we live in you judge what’s being said by who’s saying it father than if it’s true thought many of the women on here would of learned by now about the false guardian/vs daily Mail narrative"

This is just spectacular windmilling

@Mayorquimby2

"Also those deriding the daily Mail just remember they are the ones currently standing up for women’s sex based rights it’s symptomatic of the woke times we live in you judge what’s being said by who’s saying it father than if it’s true thought many of the women on here would of learned by now about the false guardian/vs daily Mail narrative"

This is just spectacular windmilling

They don't give a shit about sex based rights they just want to create divisions in society. They amplify the most extreme voices in any cause and make it look as though they stand for everyone. The whole thing about nhs trusts banning the word mother is a case in point.

Just to clarify I am gender critical but I don't consider the dm to be an ally in this issue. They just stoke the fires of hatred.

I think all the people banning these things are very brave, they are creating a sterile, offence free, air conditioned hell where everyone is scrabbling to be royal-person of the hill and never mind the small people they have to tread on. They are brave because they are going to live in that hell while the rest of us will be outside in the sun

thought many of the women on here would of learned by now about the false guardian/vs daily Mail narrative

They're both mostly shite, with honourable exceptions.

A bit like life, really.

Btw you might want to work on your really patronising air. Although ... you probably don't. Is it cultivated? Do you go on special seminars?

It honestly blows my mind when women don't in some tiny part align with feminism.Your a feminist if you want your dd to go to school, to uni to do well in work. Your a feminist if you vote, your a feminist if you believe in contraception. Your a feminist if you want equal pay for doing the exact same job as a male. Your a feminist if you believe in pro choice.

Feminism doesn't mean you hate males or don't want to be a SAHM its just wanting an equal footing in society. There will always be extreme views but isn't there every where?

I am however starting to think this thread is a wind up

Slipperfairy I always saw the Tiger as an escape from boredom too. I was a SAHM for a few years when I became unemployed so it resonates with long afternoons with the kids which are all about little things becoming something. I thought the Tiger was really their cat who appears in the street at the end, and that they made up the story together. In my reading the Mum and Dad are playing along with the imagination game at the end.

@TheMoreThisReachesTheMainstrea

I think all the people banning these things are very brave, they are creating a sterile, offence free, air conditioned hell where everyone is scrabbling to be royal-person of the hill and never mind the small people they have to tread on. They are brave because they are going to live in that hell while the rest of us will be outside in the sun

No one is banning anything nor advocating for banning this book.

Erm, OP please don't appoint yourself a spokesperson for working class mothers. You certainly don't speak for me. I was a working class single parent for nine years and worked full time for most of those and I do think it is an old fashioned book (although very charming).

Groups like feminists and the working class aren't comprised of one homogenous type of people. Lots of different types of people fall into those loose categories. They have all sorts of views and experiences. When a self proclaimed feminist expresses an opinion, she doesn't tap into some collective hive mind. Feminists aren't the Borg. Neither are the working class. It is perfectly possible to have career aspirations and be staunchly working class.

Feminism itself has different schools of thought within it and it long predates current use of cringey terms like "woke" and "snowflake".

Also those deriding the daily Mail just remember they are the ones currently standing up for women’s sex based rights it’s symptomatic of the woke times we live in you judge what’s being said by who’s saying it father than if it’s true thought many of the women on here would of learned by now about the false guardian/vs daily Mail narrative

Ummm nope. We do judge what's being said on the basis of what's true, not who's saying it. That's exactly why the intelligent feminists on here are able to recognise that even though the DM is awful, that doesn't mean they never publish anything with truth in it. Equally, many of those feminists used to read the Guardian but, rather than just trust whatever it publishes, 'because it's the Guardian', many have cancelled their subscriptions because of its current stance over gender issues and women's rights.

Sorry OP, but you sound utterly clueless.

I hated that book. Totally didn’t understand it.

I've read this book to both my boys when they were small. It's a delightful book. I just made the Tiger female, the delivery boy became a delivery girl, I call the beer Mummy's beer and I talked in an age appropriate way about the roles the mum and the dad have and how it might be different now

What a great way to ruin the flow of the story, the rhythm of the text and the relevance of it to the pictures. Not to mention the children's imagination.

Judith Kerr (probably the most amazing children's writer there's ever been) wrote that book the way she did, selecting the wording and poring over those drawings, for a reason. To make it fun, accessible and to stimulate children's imaginations and sense of the ridiculous.

To pull it apart, change it and turn it into a lesson is both joyless and disrespectful.

Generations of little girls had this read to them, yet turned into doctors, scientists, lawyers, and yes, SAHMs. And little boys had it read to them yet grew up to assume their daughters and wives would go to work.

@Kanaloa

You don’t believe women have the right to equality because of an article in the daily mail about a picture book?

This is what I thought!

@saraclara

I've read this book to both my boys when they were small. It's a delightful book. I just made the Tiger female, the delivery boy became a delivery girl, I call the beer Mummy's beer and I talked in an age appropriate way about the roles the mum and the dad have and how it might be different now

What a great way to ruin the flow of the story, the rhythm of the text and the relevance of it to the pictures. Not to mention the children's imagination.

Judith Kerr (probably the most amazing children's writer there's ever been) wrote that book the way she did, selecting the wording and poring over those drawings, for a reason. To make it fun, accessible and to stimulate children's imaginations and sense of the ridiculous.

To pull it apart, change it and turn it into a lesson is both joyless and disrespectful.

Generations of little girls had this read to them, yet turned into doctors, scientists, lawyers, and yes, SAHMs. And little boys had it read to them yet grew up to assume their daughters and wives would go to work.

Ha ha, well I've destroyed great art many times. My deepest apologies and utter remorse. 

I'll immediately rectify the joyless upbringing my poor poor sons have had and read it to them without alterations, repeatedly, forthwith! Consider me well and truly chastised.

How does making the tiger female change the relevance of the pictures?

I don’t think ive ever read it

I thought the other day how many books my DC have that are from the 60s, 70s and 80s. Absolutely loads. Topsy and Tim, Mr Men, Janet and Allan Ahlberg stuff, Where the Wild Things Are(?), Meg and Mog…

We have the TTWCTT and really like it - hadn’t even thought about the gender roles tbh, it covers less than a day in the life of the family so it’s not enough to go on really even if you were to analyse it - Sophie’s mum could have been at work the morning of the day the Tiger popped over, couldn’t she?