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looking an Afgani woman in the eyes, what connects their suffering with our struggles here?

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Freedomprogramme · 15/08/2021 18:56

this is not a trick question (not burqua-related).

having dealt with lifelong sexism and one powerful male abuser I have got used to thinking that as a woman I deal with structural problems

right now my mind is blown by what's happening to the women of Afganistan. part of me thinks "my struggles don't count in comparison". I know that's not right - that there is a connection - but I'm too shocked by what's going on there to be able to formulate any coherent thoughts on the matter.

Can anyone help?

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Doomscrolling · 18/08/2021 11:19

Some great posts.

As an aside, it’s Afghan, not Afghani. Afghani is the currency, Afghan is the person.

tootiredtobother · 18/08/2021 11:34

@NonnyMouse1337, well said,
Biden, Boris and all NATO counties will have the blood, death, rape and degradation on their hands, of all women and girls in that god forsaken country, and that's the root of it, religion, run by men for men against women, I cant think of a religion that revers women, or places them equal to men

DinosaurOfFire · 18/08/2021 11:46

@tootiredtobother Christianity should place women equal to men. Jesus himself treated women as his equals, worthy of being taught the same as men (when Mary sits at Jesus' feet, she is learning alongside his male disciples as their equal for example, and there are early church leaders who are female). However many churches have and still fall short of what should be equality in positions of church leadership, in churches in general. There are many that are rising up for womens rights and equality and some have been doing so for over a century or more.

DinosaurOfFire · 18/08/2021 11:48

@NonnyMouse1337

looking an Afgani woman in the eyes, what connects their suffering with our struggles here?

The embodied reality of womanhood that transcends time, distance and cultures. She is me and I am her. It is a visceral bond that no male can ever identify into and no female can ever identify out of.

It is only an accident of fate that I live in the UK. I am one of the rare winners in the grotesque lottery of life.

Life for women in the UK has been shaped by its own cultural and religious heritage. Its relatively unique and rare historical trajectory enabled British women to organise and win incredible gains for their daughters in a way that women from so many other countries can only dream of doing.

The plight of Afghani women is a stark reminder of the iron fist of oppression that men can wield against women on the basis of our sex. It is an uncomfortable truth that without the majority of men on our side, women truly are at the mercy of the vicious whims and savage violence of men.

My heart breaks for the women of Afghanistan - so many of them had a taste of freedom, opportunity and being a person in their own right, and now it has evaporated almost overnight. I know what is happening to them could happen to me too, if circumstances enabled it. The incel attack in Plymouth reveals the deep hatred and desires of subjugation that some men harbour for women.

Far too many women in the UK take their precious freedoms for granted. Yes, there's much that can be better, but it's important to realise just how rare it is to live in a time and place where women have so many rights and protections within a stable, wealthy society and where most men view us as worthy of full personhood.

Some women are so intoxicated by these freedoms - freedoms they themselves did not win - that they think it's great fun to indulge in all kinds of outlandish luxury beliefs, such as biological sex being a social construct, women are not oppressed on the basis of sex, and that being a woman is nothing but a feeling and set of sexist stereotypes. They have feasted at the table of liberty for so long that they think they can ignore reality by chanting mantras and 'queering' words. Bloated by their gluttony, they cheer the erosion of the same rights and protections that enabled their arrogance and ignorance. Their fingers and mouths greasy with the remnants of the fruits of labour of the women that came before them, they sneer at those who understand the precarious nature of our rights and personhood and seek to protect it. They might belch out insults and smears in between mouthfuls, but deep in their hearts they know they would never willingly trade places with the women of Afghanistan, because all the queer theory in the world won't save them from the slaughterhouse.

This is so powerful and you really have a way with words. It is our shared womanhood, our shared humanity that links us.
NonnyMouse1337 · 18/08/2021 11:49

@Doomscrolling

Some great posts.

As an aside, it’s Afghan, not Afghani. Afghani is the currency, Afghan is the person.

Thank you for the correction!
NonnyMouse1337 · 18/08/2021 11:51

And thanks to everyone for the kind words about my post. I was angry and upset and had to get it all out. Smile

tootiredtobother · 18/08/2021 11:56

and forgot to say, Biden is happy to say TWAW in his own country but throws real women to the wolves in Afganistan

Fearnecuptea · 18/08/2021 12:01

I agree, its so sad. Obviously this is hugely complex, I know the situation goes back decades etc etc etc but all I can really think about is the human suffering happening RIGHT NOW, just imagining it, makes me feel so sad for these woman, little girls and boys. And men, many of the men there must be appalled and terrified.

What a truly horrific thing. I wish I could help.

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