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Cosby free

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noneedtoexpelme · 30/06/2021 19:38

FFS

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dc723538-d9c7-11eb-b92f-5fe539a30c29?shareToken=fbb69481a476638129813b014277d2fa

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MedusasBadHairDay · 30/06/2021 19:40

Fucks sake Angry

CardinalLolzy · 30/06/2021 19:41

It's not an indication he isn't or wasn't guilty. As I understand it the prosecution fucked up big time. Legally it seems like the right ruling. Obviously if there is any right in the world he should still be convicted/punished for what he undoubtedly did.

www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/arts/television/bill-cosby-release-conviction.html

CardinalLolzy · 30/06/2021 19:44

See e.g. here
twitter.com/Popehat/status/1410281919435001857
"This is the key finding of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania that explains its reversal of the Cosby decision: the prior DA promised non-prosecution to force Cosby to waive his Fifth Amendment privilege and testify in a civil case, he did, then they prosecuted him with it."

QuentinBunbury · 30/06/2021 20:26

I'm absolutely outraged. Now it's going to be "innocent ruined lives". Bullshit
Women are worth nothing

Mayorquimby2 · 30/06/2021 20:40

Massive massive fuck up by the prosecutor who invented the solution.

PhilSwagielka · 30/06/2021 21:28

Once again, a rapist gets off. Tell me again how their lives are ruined by those evil lying women.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 30/06/2021 21:39

WTAF Angry

OvaHere · 30/06/2021 23:17

@CardinalLolzy

See e.g. here twitter.com/Popehat/status/1410281919435001857 "This is the key finding of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania that explains its reversal of the Cosby decision: the prior DA promised non-prosecution to force Cosby to waive his Fifth Amendment privilege and testify in a civil case, he did, then they prosecuted him with it."
Well that's one massive screw up. Well done that DA.
NiceGerbil · 01/07/2021 01:29

Fucks sake.

Article says may have implications for Weinstein conviction as well.

thefourgp · 01/07/2021 01:41

It’s horrendous how these men get away with being being abusive monsters time after time. I hope more women take legal action against him and he gets put back in jail ASAP. He deserves to die in jail.

NiceGerbil · 01/07/2021 02:05

They have massive amounts of money and think they have been victimised.

His lawyers will have been working full time on finding anything to get him released.

DolphinFC · 01/07/2021 05:32

I think this more to do with rich people having the money to for 100s of hours of lawyer time and also prosecution teams making procedural errors.

It's not about the system failing women. This could just as easily have happened in a tax evasion case.

DolphinFC · 01/07/2021 06:29

Actually, probably 10,000s of hours of legal time.

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noneedtoexpelme · 01/07/2021 06:54

Yes, we all know there is one law for the rich... however, trying to console myself with the fact that he is guilty and everyone knows this.

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nettie434 · 01/07/2021 08:12

I don't understand why a previous prosecutor offered him a deal in the first place. However a number of the women are still bringing civil cases against him. It is not going to go away.

QuentinBunbury · 01/07/2021 09:44

It's not about the system failing women. This could just as easily have happened in a tax evasion case.
It is about the system failing women as rich powerful men have the means to do this and get off with their behaviour.
Women struggle tp get their cases heard in the first place then the men can get off.
It's structural.

LonginesPrime · 01/07/2021 10:30

I don't understand why a previous prosecutor offered him a deal in the first place

I understood that it wasn't that they offered him a deal as such - they thought there wouldn't be enough evidence to prosecute so they told him they wouldn't and it would just be a civil case, then they later used his testimony from the civil case deposition (where he spoke more freely because he thought the consequences would only be taking a financial hit) when others came forward.

So I guess his lawyers' argument this time is that the testimony that put him away is inadmissible as it wasn't obtained fairly and/or could he said to be entrapment.

So the prosecutors were kind of right in the first place that there wasn't enough evidence to put him away.

It's really difficult when it's a "he said, she said" situation, and I don't know what the answer is, aside from building a society where women feel able to report sexual assaults immediately where there is more chance of obtaining evidence. This requires more awareness and a shift in people's values towards women and misogyny.

DysonSphere · 01/07/2021 12:32

Quite depressingly already I'm hearing that his incarceration is proof of racism and all the women just want to bring a brother down. Bleak.

NiceGerbil · 01/07/2021 12:42

@LonginesPrime

I don't understand why a previous prosecutor offered him a deal in the first place

I understood that it wasn't that they offered him a deal as such - they thought there wouldn't be enough evidence to prosecute so they told him they wouldn't and it would just be a civil case, then they later used his testimony from the civil case deposition (where he spoke more freely because he thought the consequences would only be taking a financial hit) when others came forward.

So I guess his lawyers' argument this time is that the testimony that put him away is inadmissible as it wasn't obtained fairly and/or could he said to be entrapment.

So the prosecutors were kind of right in the first place that there wasn't enough evidence to put him away.

It's really difficult when it's a "he said, she said" situation, and I don't know what the answer is, aside from building a society where women feel able to report sexual assaults immediately where there is more chance of obtaining evidence. This requires more awareness and a shift in people's values towards women and misogyny.

I think there were 60 women who went public and I imagine many more who didn't.

So it's more be said and that crowd over there said tbh.

MargaritaPie · 01/07/2021 12:53

There's a video of him goofing off as he was taken from court back when his case was being heard. It's all a big joke to him.

SmokedDuck · 01/07/2021 17:49

The prosecutors screwed this up, whether through negligence or stupidity or something else.

There would be significant implications across a huge number of cases if it was ok to offer people immunity or concessions to get them to talk, and then use that against them without living up to the promises.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 02/07/2021 14:44

He is guilty. Everyone knows it. There'll be civil cases against him. He'll lose, and have huge payouts to make.
He might not be incarcerated, but he won't get off free.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/07/2021 14:47

trying to console myself with the fact that he is guilty and everyone knows this.

You only have to look at Mike Tyson's career after his rape conviction to see it won't make a difference. I can only hope civil cases at least make him poor.

TheWeeDonkey · 02/07/2021 19:06

@DysonSphere

Quite depressingly already I'm hearing that his incarceration is proof of racism and all the women just want to bring a brother down. Bleak.
I've seen this too. I think its terrible that hes being portrayed as some poor unsuspecting innocent rather than a highly successful, influential and powerful man. Victim to some grasping conniving women...who strangely all had almost identical experiences even when they didn't know each other.

There was a documentary about him a while back on Sky and he's a really disturbing character.

Mayorquimby2 · 02/07/2021 21:44

The chasing Cosby podcast was brilliantly put together and fucking chilling.

This is a horrible case because I think the judges had to allow the appeal and I think it's absolutely crystal clear that he's a horrible rapist.

It's so depressing to see people use this to point score, and I believe they're being wilfully ignorant.
I don't think it's people seeing the headline and jumping to the conclusion that the women are liars.
It's people who go in to every incident of this nature assuming women are liars and they know exactly the context here but don't give a fuck because they know the outcome gives them an opportunity to repeat the lie and add to their mythology of bitter women fucking over rich innocent men.