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Male judge describes rapist as 'brave'

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SapphosRock · 21/06/2021 20:56

Honestly Confused

He will probably be out in 18 months but he's given his victim a life sentence.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rapist-brave-confessing-sex-crime-103921979.html

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SapphosRock · 21/06/2021 20:58

Oh I thought I'd posted this is Feminism Chat but it appears to be in sex & gender 🤷‍♀️

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RickiTarr · 21/06/2021 20:59

Oh my. No words. He didn’t “tell the truth” until the last moment, meaning the victim was all keyed up for the ordeal of a trial. Poor woman. How much credit does he really warrant for rape, thr acts to kill and then - eventually- telling the truth about it all? Sad

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RickiTarr · 21/06/2021 21:00

They’ll move it for you if you report. Is this the new board?

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NewYearNewTwatName · 21/06/2021 21:01

why is this in sex and Gender? did MN automatically put here?

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Ostara212 · 21/06/2021 21:03

@SapphosRock

Oh I thought I'd posted this is Feminism Chat but it appears to be in sex & gender 🤷‍♀️

Report your own post and MN will move the thread

Horrendous comments by the judge, like "gosh, old boy, awfully courageous telling the truth like that".
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ArabellaScott · 21/06/2021 21:07

@RickiTarr

They’ll move it for you if you report. Is this the new board?

They won't. I asked them to move a thread about periods from Feminist Cht into here and they haven't.
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ifIwerenotanandroid · 21/06/2021 21:11

So what exactly are the rules for what goes in 'Feminist Chat' & what goes in 'Sex & Gender'?

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SapphosRock · 21/06/2021 21:17

I have reported my post so hopefully it will get moved.

As for the topic of the thread, that poor woman having to hear her rapist described as brave. It really is the final insult.

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NewYearNewTwatName · 21/06/2021 21:18

it s moved already Smile

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YellowFish12 · 21/06/2021 21:20

Brave?? Jesus that judge needs someone to have some strong words about choice of phrasing

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Clymene · 21/06/2021 21:23

It's still showing as sock and gin for me.

What a disgusting judge. That poor woman. I can't imagine anything worse than having the courage to go through reporting a man for rape and for the judge to call him brave. I'm just gobsmacked (again)

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YellowFish12 · 21/06/2021 21:29

Is there a way to complain that is effective? It’s language like this that helps contribute to women not reporting rape or going thru with trials.

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InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 21/06/2021 21:34

How is it brave to flip-flop between confession and denial, then plead guilty for a reduced sentence when the jig is up?!

He even chucked some death threats in for good measure to try scaring his target into not reporting the attack Angry

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FemaleAndLearning · 21/06/2021 21:36

@SapphosRock

Oh I thought I'd posted this is Feminism Chat but it appears to be in sex & gender 🤷‍♀️

It was there,but has been moved? Why?
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FemaleAndLearning · 21/06/2021 21:39

Actually it's not in sex and gender debate. I was just in there but when I clicked back it sent me to Feminism chat. Anyway it should be in Feminism chat shouldn't it, it's not about THE sex and gender debate?

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 21/06/2021 21:51

WTF have I just read?

My heart goes out to his poor victim. This really is the final fucking insult. Germaine Greer was spot on. 'Women have very little idea of how much men hate them'.

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FemaleAndLearning · 21/06/2021 22:21

The judge was referring to the rapist's initial 'bravery' at admitting to the rape. Why does that take bravery? Strange use of words, honest might have been better. Sounds like he was just pandering to him.

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Ostara212 · 21/06/2021 22:23

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

WTF have I just read?

My heart goes out to his poor victim. This really is the final fucking insult. Germaine Greer was spot on. 'Women have very little idea of how much men hate them'.

So much this.

Is it worth a complaint? Language and the associated influence etc?
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BlowDryRat · 21/06/2021 22:26

Ugh. Vile man and vile judge (male, surprise, surprise). The poor woman, having to go through all that.

It makes me so angry. Like when I told someone about my abusive exH and they said they felt sorry for him because he's the NRP. Fuck off.

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Librariesmakeshhhhappen · 21/06/2021 22:30

On one hand, I'm really angry because language is very important in the law and a judges remarks can have repercussions so their words should be chosen carefully. Brave isnt the right word here, not exactly, honest or open maybe would been better. However, I really dont think it's all the terrible. The judge was talking about his initial interview where he immediately admitted his guilt. The judge also said that his brwvyer deserted him when he changed his story and pretended not to understand what the interview had been about.
So, he was commended for being honest and then chastised for living and dragging it to this stage in court.

I do think, no matter what the crime is, that people should be commended for honesty in the first instance. And if they flip flop, they should be given a dressing down for that nonsense. So I can see what the judge was getting it, but he should have been much more precise with his words and a lot more forceful in his rebuke at how the rapist handled everything after that initial interview.

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nocoolnamesleft · 21/06/2021 22:30

For pity's sake. The one who showed bravery is the woman. Reporting the rapist despite her fear, and his death threat against her family.

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Orangecircling · 21/06/2021 22:31

Truthful is about as good as I would have given him. Brave? No.

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CiaoForNiao · 21/06/2021 22:34

Brave? Brave? Fucking Brave? Fuck off is he Brave.

His victim was Brave to report it and be prepared to follow it through to court if needed. She's the one who should be commended.

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2bazookas · 21/06/2021 23:01

@YellowFish12

Brave?? Jesus that judge needs someone to have some strong words about choice of phrasing

If you read the link, the judge was in fact very critical of the rapist, pointing out that he'd lied, been a coward, and made the situation much worse.
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BewareTheBeardedDragon · 22/06/2021 00:11

I have come to the realisation recently that a man will always have any excuse he chucks around given weight, will always be credited and lauded for what should be basic requirements of humanity, will always be held to a lower baseline standard than a women in our society - which, despite lip service paid to equality yadda yadda, is still steeped in misogyny when you scratch the surface.

It is shameful and that judge should reflect deeply on their choice of words.

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