Who are the real casualties of the white feminist war machine?

[stumbledin]

Is there in fact no Oxfam Training Material (see www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4266830-Oxfam-training-document-blames-women-for-the-root-causes-of-sexual-violence ) but just this power point presentation of Alison Phipps handy quotes about the negative influence of white women on just about everything?!

Handy quotes from her book she wants to promote.

See twitter thread from last year twitter.com/alisonphipps/status/1254678219451760641

[stumbledin]

I wonder if the main point of this sort of "feminism" is in fact just to keep your name in the headlights. Manchester University has now given her a platform to say that asking for Sarah Everard's murdered to be punished shows that white feminism are just part of a racist colonialist system.

... Yet mainstream demands following Everard’s murder promised more power to the carceral system – calls for the criminalisation of street harassment and for misogyny to become a hate crime.

The demands themselves were unsurprising, but that such carceral feminism persists even after a white woman has allegedly been murdered by a cop shows how deeply mainstream feminism is mired in white supremacy. We are happy to say ‘Black Lives Matter’, but we do not put our own interests on the line and act with an understanding of exactly what police and prisons are for. Abolitionist thinking tells us that carceral systems preserve state and elite interests, protect private property and resources, dispose of economically surplus populations, and ultimately ensure that racial capitalism functions unabated. While we say, ‘Black Lives Matter’, we legitimate the very systems that demand, and deliver, Black demise.

White women’s experiences of sexual violence enter a world in which ‘protecting white womanhood’ is really about protecting racial capitalism and white supremacy. Because of this, we claim protection that has always been predicated on Black death and the deaths of other marginalised people. Furthermore, although bourgeois white women are not usually subject to state violence, the same white men who purport to protect us from the Others do reserve the right to abuse and kill us themselves. ...

manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/blog/2021/05/07/white-feminism-and-the-racial-capitalist-protection-racket-from-metoo-to-me-not-you/

[NiceGerbil]

Oh for god's sake.

Using Sarah everards murder to make a point? How crass. And the trial is current.

[NiceGerbil]

'In March 2021, marketing executive Sarah Everard was allegedly murdered by a serving Metropolitan Police officer after disappearing from London’s Clapham Common. The previous June, members of the same police force were suspended for taking selfies with the bodies of murdered sisters Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry in a different London park. A vigil for these three women, and almost 200 others who have died in police custody or prison in England and Wales, was subsequently led by feminist group Sisters Uncut and violently broken up by police. Yet mainstream demands following Everard’s murder promised more power to the carceral system – calls for the criminalisation of street harassment and for misogyny to become a hate crime.'

I have literally no idea what she is getting at here.

[JuneJustRains]

I think she’s trying to say that people are asking for more policing of crimes against women, when in these cases the police themselves have committed crimes.

[NiceGerbil]

The guy who murdered the sisters wasn't a police officer though.

I don't get it.

[NiceGerbil]

Probably because it doesn't make sense.

[thinkingaboutLangCleg]

Phipps says White women’s experiences of sexual violence enter a world in which ‘protecting white womanhood’ is really about protecting racial capitalism and white supremacy. Because of this, we claim protection that has always been predicated on Black death and the deaths of other marginalised people.

Why would we care more about protecting ‘white supremacy’ than our own safety? When did we ever ask for black women not to be protected from male violence? How does our safety rely on marginalised people being killed? This is such rubbish.

[Veeta]

Was the vigil ‘led by’ sisters uncut? I thought they hijacked it
So if police officers commit crimes, we’re actually supporting them by insisting they face the same criminal punishment as everyone else? Have I misunderstood her point?

[quixote9]

God. So tired of gumballs trying to ride racism to glory (or at least book sales) by using it to dump on women. Sooo tired.

[JuneJustRains]

@NiceGerbil

The guy who murdered the sisters wasn't a police officer though.

I don't get it.

The guys taking selfies were police officers.

That may or may not be her point though.

[BrownTableMat]

Yes, I think she was talking about the selfies.

What I’m less clear about is what she thinks should have happened. Police, prisons and court system are out. So when the searchers discovered the bodies of the two sisters they should have done… what? What way of dealing with the situation without involving the carchareal state does she envisage?

Also, how does she plan to stop local idiots coming and taking selfies with the bodies, or worse?

[midgedude]

I think she is saying that sometimes the police are wrong therefore we should abandon the police

I think she is saying the law upholds a society which is racist and therefore we should scrap the rule of law

I think she is suggesting that society follows the law not the other way around

[UppityPuppity]

She’s a complete idiot. There is no logic and no compassion for the needs of women - irrespective of race.

[Charley50]

What a moron! And a divisive one at that. She could at least look at the history of UK gaols and workhouses and bring class into the equation too. Or isn't that 'cool' enough? People talking such bollocks are best ignored.

[Alltheprettyseahorses]

I think she is saying that sometimes the police are wrong therefore we should abandon the police

I think that because Phipps is constantly wrong, we should abandon her. Yet she's linked to that Oxfam horror! I can't even imagine the smug privilege she must feel to say women's lives shouldn't be protected.

[UppityPuppity]

I think she is saying that sometimes the police are wrong therefore we should abandon the police

We can extrapolate such nonsense thinking elsewhere. Doctors are sometimes wrong. Nurses are sometimes wrong.

So on that vein, is she also going to say we should abandon healthcare?

Idiot.

[OnWednesdaysWeWearMink]

What a load of nonsense.

If we are going to talk about how privileged feminists advocate for things that actually harm other women, then how about we talk about the promotion of sex work. Or removing single sex spaces?

[SmokedDuck]

What is always funny about this is that poor people in violent neighbourhoods, and black people n violent neighbourhoods, are generally for more police. They might want the police to change, but they don't want nothing.

But people like this in many cases have a weird idea that if anarchy becomes the norm somehow people will just police themselves and all be nice. We can see how that's worked out.

[stumbledin]

I think that fact that she makes factual errors in trying to promote her view of the world indicates she either doesn't really care or is so locked into making the world fit her view point that she cant see what is happening around her.

ie the Vigil for Sarah Everard was organised by what became known as Reclaim These Streets. Sisters Uncut highjacked it to try and make it about Kill the Bill (their view point is very similar to hers) as they think it is more important to criticise the police (even though the Bill is a political gesture by the Tories and not asked for by the police) than attend a no sloganising quiet and respectful vigil for a murder woman.

I think she has a huge chip on her shoulder about being white and instead of doing something proactive and positive is putting everything into saying I am not one of those white women who happily accepts her privileges.

Or ... she just wasn't to make sure she is well known enought to get published and keep her post as an academic.

If anything is turning people of feminism it is academic feminism.

[stumbledin]

I do understand that the police and the legal system and are institutions, as is our society, is inherently racist. Efforts to challenge institutional racism haven't suceeded, and although society may no longer be as overtly racist as it once was, racism in communities still exists.

But what I dont understand if her complete lack of reference to male violence. Most women who die a violent death are victims of male violence. Most men who die a violent death are victims of male violence. And children.

So in her utopian world all these systems that are meant to protect us and give us a civilised society are restructed to be non racist, etc.. But will this stop male violence.

Isn't part of the problem not just about there being a dominated race and class, but a dominant sex that seems (irrespective of race or class) to see violence as a solution or acceptable response?

[stumbledin]

Have just seen that she has not only deleted the thread with the highlights from her book (that may or may not have been the basis of the Oxfam training) but has left twitter.

But as far as I know is still teaching "gender" studies in Sussex.

As if gender studies qualifies you to talk about women.

[EsmaCannonball]

I do have to wonder how someone can look at human history and think that the effective decriminalisation of rape and murder will lead to an egalitarian utopia and not to The Siege of Nanking or The Fall of Berlin. I know we're told never to criticise another woman (my feminism is for all women, blah, blah, blah) but Phipps is just an absolute traitor, isn't she? She grovels to those in power while claiming to fight for the most disenfranchised. Postmodern sophistry at its worst.

[EmbarrassingAdmissions]

But as far as I know is still teaching "gender" studies in Sussex.

No - she's taking up a new post in, iirc, sociology studies at Newcastle.

Confirmed to some extent by this, although AP's tweet is no longer visible:

twitter.com/JaniceMcl1968/status/1387710325781372928

[RoyalCorgi]

Newcastle's loss is Sussex's gain...