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Who are the real casualties of the white feminist war machine?

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stumbledin · 10/06/2021 18:53

Is there in fact no Oxfam Training Material (see www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4266830-Oxfam-training-document-blames-women-for-the-root-causes-of-sexual-violence ) but just this power point presentation of Alison Phipps handy quotes about the negative influence of white women on just about everything?!

Handy quotes from her book she wants to promote.

See twitter thread from last year twitter.com/alisonphipps/status/1254678219451760641

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stumbledin · 15/06/2021 16:57

Sorry Blush but what is iirc?

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ScreamingMeMe · 15/06/2021 16:58

Anyone know why her twitter account has gone? Did she receive a lot of backlash?

If anything is turning people of feminism it is academic feminism.

Yup.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 15/06/2021 17:01

@stumbledin

Sorry Blush but what is iirc?
If I remember/recall correctly.
mateysmum · 15/06/2021 17:06

What a pile of word salad bollocks! So imprisoning a white police officer for murdering a white woman is somehow racist/statist/capitalist/imperialist.
I'm sure if we just gave up and let all these murderers and rapist roam the streets we'd be much safe - not.

stumbledin · 15/06/2021 17:07

Are you sure this is the right Alison Phipps?

It turns out (which must be a real headache for her) that there is a Professor Alison Phipps in glasgow: Alison holds the UNESCO Chair in Refugee Integration through Languages and the Arts at the University of Glasgow where she is also Professor of Languages and Intercultural Studies, and Co-Convener of Glasgow Refugee, Asylum and Migration Network (GRAMNet).

I dont know why the Susses Alison Phipps twitter account has gone, but after the Telegraph article she did tweet about how her work had been misrepresented (one of the reasons some of us then linked her to the Oxfam training) and this did get a negative reaction as she said you only need to look at the promo I did for my book, and here was this whole list of outrageous statements about violence against women, and so on.

Or myabe someone reported it to twitter as hate speech!!

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Flapjak · 15/06/2021 17:25

She is an awful example of a feminist. A bit like the female character from Handmaids Tale who wrote a book about womens role in the home as a new kind of feminism' and then she became a victim of her own warped ideology

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 15/06/2021 17:37

Are you sure this is the right Alison Phipps?

I'm reasonably confident because I saw this exchange on Twitter before the account deletion (respondent is a researcher at Newcastle - obviously AP's tweet isn't visible but you can see the response) - and it was one of the reasons she made her teaching module available as a gift to others.

twitter.com/janicemcl1968/status/1387710325781372928

WhiteFeministWarMachine · 15/06/2021 18:27

Like the new name?

ScreamingMeMe · 15/06/2021 18:49
Grin
stumbledin · 16/06/2021 14:58

Still asking! What is IIRC? Does anyone know? Thanks

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BrownTableMat · 16/06/2021 14:59

I think it was answered upthread, but it means If I Recall Correctly

stumbledin · 16/06/2021 15:12

Thanks Blush

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BrownTableMat · 16/06/2021 15:17

It’s quite a useful contraction. I use it a lot (mainly cos I’m too lazy to look up and source things properly!)

donquixotedelamancha · 16/06/2021 16:07

I dont know why the Susses Alison Phipps twitter account has gone, but after the Telegraph article she did tweet about how her work had been misrepresented

Why, did someone accuse her of making sense? Having listened to her own words at length the only misrepresentation is when she claims to be a feminist. She despises women in general and feminists in particular; or at least affects to, for attention.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/06/2021 16:13

I'm pretty sure we have discussed Alison Phipps' views on carceral feminism apart from this Oxfam material.

Sholokhov · 16/06/2021 16:20

I'm curious about why she's referring to "cops"- it's still an American word as far as I know?

zanahoria · 16/06/2021 16:21

Am I correct in thinking that Alison Phipps is in fact a white woman?

Siablue · 16/06/2021 16:22

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I'm pretty sure we have discussed Alison Phipps' views on carceral feminism apart from this Oxfam material.
She accused Southall Black Sisters of political whiteness. She got quiet a bit of pushback from that and did a Twitter post about how everyone was being horrible to her.

There was a big thread on here about her views that women should not report rape.

She wrote a response to her critics which did not address any of their criticisms and was basically people are bullying me because they are mean and if feminists don’t agree then we will all lose our rights.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/06/2021 16:23

Am I correct in thinking that Alison Phipps is in fact a white woman?

You are.

Siablue · 16/06/2021 16:24

@zanahoria

Am I correct in thinking that Alison Phipps is in fact a white woman?
Yes but she thinks that when black women disagree with her that makes them politically white.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/06/2021 16:25

The hidebound arrogance of the woman is quite something.

donquixotedelamancha · 18/06/2021 21:40

Am I correct in thinking that Alison Phipps is in fact a white woman?

You are.

Think is, do you think she realises? I can't help but feel there might be less 'Black people think this...' if someone told her.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 20/06/2021 22:13

Alison Phipps has just reappeared on Twitter - and her bio confirms that she's soon to take up an appointment at NCL Sociology.

twitter.com/alisonphipps/status/1406603317883645957

Siablue · 21/06/2021 12:54

Well that was interesting. She refuses to acknowledge that a lot of her critisms come from the left. I am interested in alternatives to prison for violence against women and girls but I don’t think she has any real answers to this either other than restorative justice which is just another opportunity to enable the abuser to abuse you. My ex did not get charged with any of the crimes against me but going to the police helped protect my child (a baby at the time).

She linked on reader who asked her for alternatives to imprisonment to this website which has a mixture of useful points and really harmful ideas.

transformharm.org/

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The only way to be safe is for the victims (and children who have witnessed abuse are also victims) to be separated from the abuser. One article talked about how separating the abuser from the victim by imprisonment is bad and how the victim wanted to maintain a relationship with her boyfriend and that she should have been supported to do that. He could have gone on an abuse issue awareness course. Well ok but there is no evidence that this is actually effective and some evidence that this is can actually make the abuse worse.

One of the most googled phrases during lockdown is how can I control my girlfriend. Imagine sending a guy like that on a course with other abusers. Another concern with these kinds of programs is that they give abusers unsafe access to their children as they are low risk as they have been on a course.

There were some very good points made about enabling victims to leave their abuser by providing them with financial support. I am not entitled to universal credit as I had to leave a house that I own. But this needs to happen in addition to legal action and this is something that mainstream abuse services are actively campaigning for.

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