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Ukraine surrogacy "trade"
Douberry · 15/05/2020 10:06
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-surrogate-trade-exposed-as-pandemic-leaves-51-babies-stranded-in-kiev-hotel-11988587
I'm sorry but this has made me want to weep. Such a bad situation on so many levels. I really welcome anyone to challenge the notion that commercial surrogacy is truly abhorrent 
OhHolyJesus · 15/05/2020 10:36
Here's the other thread OP
Surrogacy on the NHS www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3899297-Surrogacy-on-the-NHS
WeetabixBananaHipsterFFS · 15/05/2020 10:51
Despite healthy baby (and unharmed surrogate) surrogacy experience ‘ruined’ for Israeli couple...
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/may/14/surrogates-baby-coronavirus-lockdown-parents-surrogacy
nettie434 · 15/05/2020 11:11
I saw a clip about this on the news last night and meant to post a link after OhHolyJesus's thread. I think one problem is that all those children then grow up in different countries and it is much harder to detect if they have any attachment problems or other difficulties. There is no research following them up (of course there wouldn't be). It's so below the radar that it is only when you see coverage like this that you realise how much commercial surrogacy has become the norm.
OhHolyJesus · 15/05/2020 12:13
Please consider signing up for the Stop Surrogacy Now campaign, I won't link but it's easy to find.
If you can bear it please read and watch.
I send with a content warning.
https://rmx.news/article/commentary/video-over-500-surrogate-babies-left-in-limbo-in-ukraine-after-parents-barred-from-entering-country-over-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR2zauKGy1xwo47w8in7LTzoKSih7MM_0Cbu4pte5qdNZ1ymHy4KfhcFOps
FannyCann · 15/05/2020 14:04
OMG. I've just watched the video. A room full of crying babies and that is meant to reassure the buyers and the watching world that all is well as they are being well cared for?
If there is one good thing that may come from the coronavirus pandemic it is that this is shining a light on this abusive global baby farming trade.
How shameful that here, in the UK, the Law Commission lawyers are working on laws to make it easier for UK citizens returning from abroad with a baby they have acquired to get a free pass to passports and legal parenthood.
They should be prosecuted for people trafficking imo.
If we had a law against this, if people knew they would be prosecuted, they would stop doing this.
Lordfrontpaw · 15/05/2020 14:16
It reminds me of the Romanian orphanages back in the day.
People would go over and 'pick a child' as if they were going to the puppy pound. Of course, there was a hoo-ha about why the children were there in the first place, and the way they were 'looked after' - but the main takeaway was the 'supply' of children for foreign families.
I'm sure the children who were disabled, had emotional issues (although in those situations, I'm sure most would) or those 'not cute' or 'too old' were left behind. So really for the benefit of the adults and not the child.
Maybe I am being unfair.
Antibles · 15/05/2020 14:37
Many of the babies from the Romanian orphanages grew up to have severe attachment disorder issues. I read a very disturbing article about it a while back. People with attachment issues can grow up to be similar in temperament and motivation to sociopaths due to the brain circuits for love and empathy never forming properly. They are disturbed and 'detached'. Those Romanian orphans we all read about are now adults and while you might feel sorry for them, I dread to think what their adult behaviour is like.
OhHolyJesus · 15/05/2020 14:49
I don't know why truth but in that video I could take my eyes off his Apple laptop as he say there in his nice office.
I was thinking about the possibilities for mixing up the babies and how the babies, if there for a while, might form bonds with one of the babysitters and be completely traumatised again (having separated from their mother) the babies will be when they eventually are collected by their parents.
There is a lifetime of trauma ahead and everyone will place blame with the governments or the virus when really there is a small group of people who are responsible for making that child and for what happened to them in the early part of their life.
BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 15/05/2020 14:57
There's a thread in AIBU too: http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3908979-To-feel-sorry-for-these-babies
Articles like this are absolutely heartbreaking and definitely show a side of surrogacy that isn't normally seen by the public.
FemaleAndLearning · 15/05/2020 15:03
500 babies in Ukraine alone if I read that right. Does that mean there could be another 500 each month going forward as I assmmue they have women at different stages of pregnancy? My god it is just abhorrent. And the US babies who can't get health insurance are they being vaccinated and having their normal testing? For someone who has sat on the fence about this I am firmly in the no to surragocacy camp now.
Cattenberg · 15/05/2020 15:50
It was a good idea of Bio Tex Com to add a soundtrack of jaunty music to drown out all of those crying babies.
My friend’s sister and her husband adopted a boy of four or five from an orphanage in Romania, many years ago. He was unable to walk and would rock backwards and forwards in his cot. He was still in nappies and although he could talk, his speech was delayed. The last I heard of him, he was 12 and doing quite well, but would still go into his bedroom to rock sometimes.
The line I keep hearing from the pro-surrogacy campaigners in the UK is that surrogacy is a normal and accepted way to start a family, but the law has not kept pace with society. The government seems to have swallowed this without question. I hope we can at least challenge the idea that the general public support commercial surrogacy.
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