Ukraine surrogacy "trade"

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news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-surrogate-trade-exposed-as-pandemic-leaves-51-babies-stranded-in-kiev-hotel-11988587

I'm sorry but this has made me want to weep. Such a bad situation on so many levels. I really welcome anyone to challenge the notion that commercial surrogacy is truly abhorrent

I agree with you, this is heartbreaking and very wrong.

Here's the other thread OP

Surrogacy on the NHS www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3899297-Surrogacy-on-the-NHS

It’s like a puppy farm. It’s just a business.

Despite healthy baby (and unharmed surrogate) surrogacy experience ‘ruined’ for Israeli couple...

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/may/14/surrogates-baby-coronavirus-lockdown-parents-surrogacy

It's just awful. It's exactly like the puppy mills except that most people seem to recognise puppy mills are a bad thing and dreadfully cruel for both the bitches and pups.

I saw a clip about this on the news last night and meant to post a link after OhHolyJesus's thread. I think one problem is that all those children then grow up in different countries and it is much harder to detect if they have any attachment problems or other difficulties. There is no research following them up (of course there wouldn't be). It's so below the radar that it is only when you see coverage like this that you realise how much commercial surrogacy has become the norm.

All surrogacy, not just commercial surrogacy is abhorrent.

What got me was the line, ‘the babies are stored in hotels and medical facilities’.....stored, like luggage ffs, they are human beings, in desperate need of protection and love.

Please consider signing up for the Stop Surrogacy Now campaign, I won't link but it's easy to find.

If you can bear it please read and watch.
I send with a content warning.

https://rmx.news/article/commentary/video-over-500-surrogate-babies-left-in-limbo-in-ukraine-after-parents-barred-from-entering-country-over-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR2zauKGy1xwo47w8in7LTzoKSih7MM_0Cbu4pte5qdNZ1ymHy4KfhcFOps

Those poor babies. Absolutely heart breaking.

There are even concerns that the huge rise in "inventory" may mean that these surrogacy companies may soon offer a sale to whoever can take the children off their hands.

We are talking about human beings. How is surrogacy any different from slavery?

I would have hoped that this situation in Ukraine would shine a light on this abhorrent trade but I won’t hold my breath.

OMG. I've just watched the video. A room full of crying babies and that is meant to reassure the buyers and the watching world that all is well as they are being well cared for?

If there is one good thing that may come from the coronavirus pandemic it is that this is shining a light on this abusive global baby farming trade.

How shameful that here, in the UK, the Law Commission lawyers are working on laws to make it easier for UK citizens returning from abroad with a baby they have acquired to get a free pass to passports and legal parenthood.
They should be prosecuted for people trafficking imo.

If we had a law against this, if people knew they would be prosecuted, they would stop doing this.

I just googled 'surrogacy' to see what would come up with that word on it's own. The second link is for Ukraine, a website offering discounts.

This is no longer even attempting the sugar coating the plain truth. Babies for sale.

It reminds me of the Romanian orphanages back in the day.

People would go over and 'pick a child' as if they were going to the puppy pound. Of course, there was a hoo-ha about why the children were there in the first place, and the way they were 'looked after' - but the main takeaway was the 'supply' of children for foreign families.

I'm sure the children who were disabled, had emotional issues (although in those situations, I'm sure most would) or those 'not cute' or 'too old' were left behind. So really for the benefit of the adults and not the child.

Maybe I am being unfair.

The bit that really got to me was at the end when it said the babies were waiting for life and love to begin.

About the only 'good' thing I can say is that it is a bit less horrendous than the Romanian orphanages back in the 1990s (1980s?)

@Lordfrontpaw yes..totally agree.

So we know that the very early days/weeks/months of a baby’s life is paramount to brain development and a well bonded, healthy child. What’s the betting some of these children will never be picked up if this continues long enough.

Many of the babies from the Romanian orphanages grew up to have severe attachment disorder issues. I read a very disturbing article about it a while back. People with attachment issues can grow up to be similar in temperament and motivation to sociopaths due to the brain circuits for love and empathy never forming properly. They are disturbed and 'detached'. Those Romanian orphans we all read about are now adults and while you might feel sorry for them, I dread to think what their adult behaviour is like.

Terrible story and needs world wide publicity.
Yet the men running these pro surrogacy campaigns are hugely influential..

I don't know why truth but in that video I could take my eyes off his Apple laptop as he say there in his nice office.

I was thinking about the possibilities for mixing up the babies and how the babies, if there for a while, might form bonds with one of the babysitters and be completely traumatised again (having separated from their mother) the babies will be when they eventually are collected by their parents.

There is a lifetime of trauma ahead and everyone will place blame with the governments or the virus when really there is a small group of people who are responsible for making that child and for what happened to them in the early part of their life.

There's a thread in AIBU too: http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3908979-To-feel-sorry-for-these-babies

Articles like this are absolutely heartbreaking and definitely show a side of surrogacy that isn't normally seen by the public.

500 babies in Ukraine alone if I read that right. Does that mean there could be another 500 each month going forward as I assmmue they have women at different stages of pregnancy? My god it is just abhorrent. And the US babies who can't get health insurance are they being vaccinated and having their normal testing? For someone who has sat on the fence about this I am firmly in the no to surragocacy camp now.

This illustrates exactly why it's so important that UK law clearly gives initial parental responsibility to the woman who gives birth to the child i.e. the mother. It is impossible to ensure that anyone else will be present when the child is born.

It was a good idea of Bio Tex Com to add a soundtrack of jaunty music to drown out all of those crying babies.

My friend’s sister and her husband adopted a boy of four or five from an orphanage in Romania, many years ago. He was unable to walk and would rock backwards and forwards in his cot. He was still in nappies and although he could talk, his speech was delayed. The last I heard of him, he was 12 and doing quite well, but would still go into his bedroom to rock sometimes.

The line I keep hearing from the pro-surrogacy campaigners in the UK is that surrogacy is a normal and accepted way to start a family, but the law has not kept pace with society. The government seems to have swallowed this without question. I hope we can at least challenge the idea that the general public support commercial surrogacy.