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My Therapist's tips for anxiety

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ActingNormal · 09/02/2009 13:14

Hi, just got back from seeing Therapist.

We were talking about my driving phobia, anxiety about the children hurting themselves so overcontrolling them all the time, and anxiety about having to say certain things to certain people.

I never actually have a panic attack but I feel generally anxious ALL the time and sometimes intensely anxious - heart beating too fast, not breathing properly, feeling dizzy, hot and cold, shaky, paralysed with fear, can't concentrate.

  1. PAPER BAG TECHNIQUE - He gave me a couple of paper bags with his name and contact details on! I've heard the paper bag thing before and dismissed it and thought "I'm not doing that, I'll feel like a twonk". He said it is really useful though because you don't have to use a load of will power to will yourself into calming down, it is a purely 'mechanical' 'fix'! He said carry the bags in your handbag and before you get to the stage where you might have a panic attack, seal a paper bag over your mouth and nose and breath as normally as you can. He also said do it where nobody can watch you if you feel stupid.

He said when we are anxious we breath faster because this is a primitive reaction to danger/stress left over from prehistoric times when we might have to run away from or fight a beast or play dead (freeze) so that the beast loses interest. If we were going to run or fight we would need the extra oxygen from breathing faster but because we often don't run or fight when we get anxious now, the oxygen builds up in our blood until there is too much and this causes the physical symptoms of panic.

Breathing through a paper bag stops so much oxygen getting in, then the bag holds some of the CO2 we breath out so the level of oxygen in the bag drops and we breath this in. The level of oxygen in your blood will gradually lessen and the physical symptoms of panic will lessen.

  1. EMDR TYPE TECHNIQUE - Therapist explained that one side of your brain is where your emotions are and the other side is where your logic is. While we are asleep, during rapid eye movement sleep, the eyes move alternately as a method of stimulating one side of the brain and then the other alternately. This helps the process of information going from one side of the brain to the other and back again in order for the brain to process the feelings and thoughts and make sense of them. He said that one side of the brain controls the opposite side of the body and the other side controls the other side of the body. Therefore if you stimulate each side of the body alternately you will stimulate your brain to process your thoughts and feelings quicker (this is what EMDR therapy is basically). He said that if you are anxious and you are having anxious thoughts, if you pat your legs alternately while you are thinking about the thing that is making you anxious, your brain will be stimulated to process the thoughts and feelings and make you feel less anxious.

He got a woman to do this on a plane when she was terrified of taking off and he said she felt ready for taking off by the time they reached the runway!

  1. COMMON SENSE - With the worry over the kids he said if you trust your instincts you DO KNOW what things you should stop your kids doing because the consequences could be too dangerous. With other things which have some risk that they might hurt themselves but they wouldn't be injured for life or killed, if you want to make yourself let them do it and not overcontrol them he said if you let them do it once and they are fine, it won't feel so bad next time, and even less scary next time etc because you can see that they did it and nothing bad happened so nothing bad is likely to happen. He suggests looking at what other people allow their kids to do and whether their kids are ok doing those things and says that some things people will be wrong about letting their kids do but if you trust your instincts, when you feel really strongly about it, don't let them do it! I suppose this is just common sense which I find hard to see! I suppose I've got to think "What is the worst that could happen?" "Would it be life changing if that happened?" - if not then let them do it.

Kids will only learn about some dangers by having little accidents and it is important that they learn this while they are children so that they can cope in the real world. Therapist said you are doing them a disservice if you don't allow them to learn this.

  1. DON'T BURY YOUR WORRIES - Therapist said if you bury your worries and don't deal with them it will make you generally anxious. He always talks about 'honouring' your feelings and using them as 'signposts' as to what you need to do next. Eg. I need to tell my family that something they are expecting me to do I am not going to do because it will cause me too much stress to do it and the thing isn't important enough to put myself through that stress. I am dreading telling them and don't know what to say because I'm scared of them being angry and upset or thinking I am a drip. Both alternatives, doing the thing, or not doing it and explaining why, seem scary so I have put off thinking about it and it is making my whole mood generally more anxious about everything else! Instead we have worked out what I could say to explain that I am not going to do what they want me to do and the best way to say it so as not to make them angry. Now that I know what I am going to do I feel a bit better and once I've actually said it I will feel a LOT better.

I just tried the leg tapping thing while thinking about all the things I want to get done today. I was feeling overwhelmed that there might not be enough time and that if I don't get these things all done DH will be angry with me when he gets home or other bad things might happen etc. The anxiety was rising. I tried doing the tapping while thinking about the things I have to do today and I did calm down a bit. It could be first time 'luck' though so I will keep trying it at other times and see if it works.

If all this verbal diarrohea can help anyone or spark any ideas they find useful I'll be glad I posted.

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ActingNormal · 09/02/2009 13:20

I am also trying a new herbal remedy (don't think Therapist approves much) called Relora. It does seem to make me a bit more tolerant of the children and other things that would normally irritate me intensely. I just don't feel those things quite as much. Look it up on the internet for info on how it works. I'll let you know if it continues to work or if it is just 'psychosomatic' and will just stop working in a week's time!

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candyheartsandchocolates · 09/02/2009 13:32

thats really interesting acting normal
are you on ad's ?
im going to see a counsellor on thursday
am hoping she can help with anxiety

ActingNormal · 09/02/2009 15:04

I'm not on ADs anymore and didn't really find they helped, although I only tried one brand

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sis · 09/02/2009 15:16

Thank you for these, ds is on the autism spectrum and suffers a lot from anxiety so I will explain what you said about EMDR type technique and ask him if he wants to give it a go.

kookiedi · 13/02/2009 13:05

Hi Acting Normal.
This stuff is far from verbal diarrohea. I am a counsellor, and these are all things I would use with my own clients for anxiety disorders.

ScottishMummy · 13/02/2009 13:19

thing is no magic wand.no special pills.and ayone who promises magic resolution is a charlatan

shame you call it verbal diarrohea - what were you hoping for?what were your expectations?

managing the cycle of anxiety by thinking "what is the worst thing that could happen" is pretty standard and a sound empirical and narrative feedback

you need to work in collaboration,try some new thinking,new techniques.hopefully change you cognitive,emotional and behavioural responses.you do need to have the volition to do so.no therapist can make you change

you change yourself

dittany · 13/02/2009 13:21

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ActingNormal · 13/02/2009 15:10

Thank you kookiedi and others for saying it is not verbal diarrhoea, I find this reassuring. It makes me feel it will work if I keep practicing. I know there isn't an instant cure and that these things have to be worked on gradually and practiced.

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noma · 17/02/2009 21:36

Its nice to know i am not on my own and i think i try the leg tapping thing it sounds great

ActingNormal · 26/02/2009 12:58

Just bumping this to help Naswm find it more easily nearer the top.

Also, IDrankTheChristmasSpirits talked about drinking water in Naswm's thread (Shaking with anxiety). I'm thinking this may be a really important preventative remedy! I drink coffee all day because I feel I need the caffeine to make me want to do anything. Then I drink red wine in the evening! I can imagine my blood being thick and sticky and clogged with depressive and anxious chemicals! It seems logical that regularly drinking plain water would wash out some of these chemicals? Also the act of drinking a glass of water might help get your breathing under control because you can't really pant and drink can you? Maybe you can! Anyway I will try the water thing. Having said that I am drinking coffee and eating chocolate right now and don't feel motivated enough to get a glass out and run the tap into it right now - how pathetic is that! I'm thinking if there is a glass out on the side 'on the go' all the time it will remind me to drink it. Also maybe taking a bottle of water out with you?

I've used the paper bag method a couple of times and it has taken the edge off the panicky feeling. I've got a bag hidden in the bathroom and I can go in there and lock the door and do it when things seem like they are getting overwhelming.

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Cranberry · 26/02/2009 19:17

Thank you for bumping this thread. I had a really bad panic attack almost 2 weeks ago and am stuggling to feel normal again. Everyday I feel off balance/sick/breathless/panicky and anxious. It has very slowly been improving and my Dr too gave me a paperbag to use when I feel I'm about to have a full blown panic attack. It's very comforting for me to know I'm not the only one struggling and that there is hope I'll feel normal again soon.
I struggle with health anxiety at the moment. I lost my Mum when I was 11 and she was 38, the age I am about to turn and I worry about dieing and leaving my children. I feel very sad about it and wish I could re-train my thoughts to stop worrying and start enjoying the here and now.
I am looking into counselling myself and the moment but unfortunately there is a 12 month waiting list in my area and at the moment I cannot afford to pay for it myself
I will definately try the leg tapping and continue with my Chamomile tea in the meantime. Please keep us updated with your progress.
Thank you

ActingNormal · 28/02/2009 17:07

I've been feeling really anxious about lots of little things over the past couple of weeks, feeling faint, pains in my chest, feeling I need to rush, feeling overwhelmed, and today, now that I am feeling a bit better, I can see something that I think is important to consider.

There was something I was putting off thinking about in detail because it made me feel uncomfortable. I couldn't work out why I felt the way I did and what I wanted to do about a certain problem. I put off thinking about it because I thought I was too busy and was waiting for a good time to sit down and work it all out. I can see really clearly today that DOING THIS MAKES YOUR ANXIETY WORSE!

I've been getting anxious about a load of little things and thinking it was because of those little things - but it WASN'T, it was anxiety about the thing I was putting off thinking about, 'leaking' out, trying to get released from my mind/body! I've been getting more and more anxious during the time I've been putting off thinking about the original problem until my terrible mood was affecting the DCs and DH. DH then 'forced' me to talk to him about the real problem. I thought he would make me feel worse, especially as it was about a subject he doesn't like talking about, but he said some logical things and some sensible things that made me feel a bit better about the original problem.

As soon as I started to feel better about the original problem the anxiety died right down! I'm finding some of the little things that were making me anxious the last couple of weeks are no longer affecting me!

So what I'm trying to say is, if you are feeling anxious, please have a look at whether there is a worry niggling in the back of your mind which you are trying to ignore or put off thinking about. It may be affecting you more than you think! And it may be affecting you more and more the longer you don't deal with it! Find time and make yourself face it and try to make sense of it and plan small practical steps you can take to improve the situation. Doing something practical about it really seems to help you feel better, I suppose because you feel a bit more in control then.

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ActingNormal · 12/03/2009 12:42

I am SO grateful that IDrankTheChristmasSpirits wrote recently about drinking water in relation to anxiety!

At first I thought how is that going to help, just water, surely I need some really strong drugs for this! I decided to give it a go though and to drink much less coffee and much more water.

I have felt reliant on coffee and sometimes Red Bull to make me feel enough stimulation to bother doing anything at all! I had a phase of drinking Red Bull in bed in the mornings. I didn't think I was having that much that it would have a big effect on my anxiety. I've tried giving up coffee before but couldn't stick to it, so I decided instead of the daunting task of giving up altogether I would just cut down a lot.

So I've been refilling my bottle of water from the tap and having small sips constantly throughout the day and drinking a lot less coffee and I've realised I really underestimated the bad effect coffee was having on me! Maybe some of you don't realise it too?!

It is hard to describe but my body feels more still. I don't have the same sense of constant "I must rush". I seem to move more easily. My head feels like it is released after being squeezed constantly tight. My stomach bloating has gone right down. My constipation has gone. The most miraculous thing is that I can get up in the mornings more easily! This was a massive problem for me before. I felt so angry and irritable about the tiniest thing in the mornings before and shouted at the DCs and DH. The thought of facing the day seemed unbearably painful and I felt like I didn't want to be awake. Now I feel like I can get up and it doesn't hurt! I feel like I don't have to rush because I've got up earlier and have more time.

I think it is more to do with the quantity of water I'm drinking than the cutting down on coffee that is working. It seems to have got things moving rather than everything including my brain feeling clogged up. I sleep for the same number of hours as before but the sleep must be of better quality because I am waking up not exhausted! Before, I felt exhausted every single day and I felt that my life was exhausting.

I no longer feel the need for any of the pills on my shelf and feel less craving for coffee and alcohol. The more water you drink the more water you crave! (just small regular sips not a whole bottle in five minutes, I think that would make you ill!)

The anxiety hasn't completely gone but it really is improved. I know people won't think a simple thing like drinking water will make much difference when they feel SO awful but please try it just in case it works for you!

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