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14yr old Smears.

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LucyLiz22 · 03/11/2023 11:36

I’m a mum of 2. Son is 14 and daughter is 8 next week.
Without going into too much detail, my son smears. Not just a little bit, ALOT. His room is top to toe covered in smears, bed, carpet, walls, clothes, books, rugs, furniture, bags, toys, skirting, you name it, he’s wiped his faeces on it.
So when he was 2 I went through a huge battle with his biological. He was controlling and manipulative, lazy and aggressive. So I told him I wanted to end it. We had o my been together 2yrs. (My BC failed when my son was conceived). He didn’t like that and point blank refused to move out. Threatened to destroy my life if I left him, told me he would take our son, turn everyone against me, the works. But I was so beaten down, verbally and physically that I followed through with it. In the weeks that I told him I didn’t want ti be with him and him refusing to leave I had started talking to a man online (said man is still my man today, 12yrs later) and the ex hit the roof. When I went to work one day, I came home and the locks had been changed. (It was MY house). I called him, no answer, I called my family, my mum told me she was disgusted in me, that I had left, I was taking drugs, that I picked another man over my family, she wasn’t going to help me, I literally had nobody and I was locked out my own house. He shouted through the door that he warned me it would happen. He stopped me seeing my son. Told everyone that would listen I was a druggy and that I chose a man over my son, he threatened to harm the man I was then seeing, he told me I wasn’t seeing my boy, he started seeing someone himself who was the family hairdresser and she even told me that I was a disgrace of a mother. Everything I had and everyone who I loved thought I was this awful person. The only person who stuck by me and allowed me to stay with him and help me was the man I was seeing. This went on for about a year, I was denied access, my family hated me, no matter what I did, my ex came back with bigger and better threats. I couldn’t do a thing. And then on Nov17th 2012 I got a call from Social Services. They wanted me to collect my son from them and I was being handed FULL custody. My ex was found to have been Mentally, physically and emotionally abusing my son. His son. To say I was angry and heartbroken is a massive understatement. I didn’t have a proper place for him at the time, I worked every hour I could to save for legal help, but I ran to get him. And the sad thing was, my son called me by my first name, he had no idea that I was who I was because his dad had told him he didn’t have a mother. I blame myself to this day for everything that happened. I should of been stronger, I should of fought more, I don’t know how. But I should. So my family all started coming back in droves. I chose to not hold it against them, even though I do a bit to this day. Nobody ever apologised to me. They just all poured their hearts out to my son. Which yeah they failed him too. I got help from Social for him, I spoke to the doctors, I got him therapy. For literally YEARS! My lad spoke to a professional because the year of abuse he went through when he was younger really showed in his emotions and mental health. But from the age of about 6 to 13 he didn’t seem to be experiencing any problems. He hadn’t seen anyone since he was 11 and he’s not displayed any issues, but about 6 months ago he started smearing. I don’t mean a little bit either. Hug patched or faeces everywhere and in his pants. I’ve tried to ask him about it but for a long time he just said “I don’t know”. He wouldn’t say a think about it, he doesn’t clean it either. I was going in there weekly to and getting eye infections and getting sick I’m think from the germs. He had a gaming chair that he sat on everyday and it was thick brown and he didn’t care, he would fall asleep on it and rub himself all over it. Anyway, it’s taken a long time to get the Doctors to listen to me, for weeks they were telling me he was just constipated, giving him strong laxative which made him soil himself in his sleep. He would never tell me though. Just throw his pants away and act like nothing had happened. Anyway, one nurse finally did take it seriously and referred him URGENTLY to Young Minds. That was over 4 weeks ago and it’s gotten to much worse since then. His room is so so bad. So bad that it’s effecting my relationship, my partner had BAD OCD and him knowing he lived in a house with faeces everywhere is really playing with his mental stability. He’s said he is going to move out because he can’t live in the house with it. My son finally admitted that he puts his fingers up his bum, he does it about 20 times a day and wipes them everywhere. He doesn’t feel like it’s as serious as it is: his personal hygiene is diabolical. If I didn’t tell him, I don’t think he’d shower or brush his teeth ever. He constantly has faeces on him. I can’t go in his room now. I’m losing my ability to parent him because nothing I say goes in. He doesn’t understand that it’s bad. That he needs to wash, that he is destroying his carpet; room, possessions. He used to have an Xbox and he would happily soil himself and smear it when he was on it, so he didn’t have to leave to toilet, so that’s been taken from him. It’s been gone about 3 weeks now. I’ve told him he’s not getting it back until we’ve got him help. He knows that I’m trying to help him, we’ve both spoken to dr’s together, I’ve told him he needs to speak to a professional, but it doesn’t go in, if that makes sense. Talking to him is like talking to a wall and I don’t know what to do anymore: there’s nothing more that I can do besides wait for the help to come, but it’s not coming any time soon. He’s currently undergoing SEND evaluations but I’ve been told they can take up to 3yrs. I can’t deal with this for another 3yrs. I’m embarrassed to let anyone in my home, my relationship is breaking down with my partner, my son and their relationship. I don’t know how to communicate with my son anymore because he doesn’t think like I do. I don’t know what’s going on with him. I know it has to be trauma based, but when I speak to him about his past; he doesn’t remember. He’s been in the same room as his biological before (not purposely) and he’s had no idea who he was. So I thought that would mean he doesn’t remember the trauma. I just don’t know because he doesn’t talk to me: whenever I try all I get is “I don’t know”. If ever I push all it does is makes him cry. I don’t know what else to do. I dont know what I’m asking here. I think I’m just trying to feel less worthless and like I’m a bad mother. I’m trying to get him help, but help doesn’t happen fast. Feeling so low. Sorry for going on. Please don’t come for me. I feel bad enough as it is.

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MafsisNafsbutcompelling · 04/11/2023 09:33

@AlwaysUnreasonablyFabulous · Yesterday 18:37

Ive not repeated your post as it is so upsetting
What a horrible post by you

OP you are holding up strong
This is clear mental health and behaviour from mental physical and emotional abuse

Crisis team? OP?
School?

I have found this link? https://www.nhs.uk/service-search/mental-health/find-an-urgent-mental-health-helpline

LucyLiz22 · 04/11/2023 09:38

It may be true in your world, but it’s not in mine and this is MY life.
As already stated, he cleans his mess up, as already stated, I make him wash everyday. As already stated, it’s confined to his room. As already stated his sister adores him, and vice versa. I AM NOT abusing her by having my son at home. If I was to one day pack his stuff up and tell him he was moving somewhere else because he couldn’t be here anymore because of his sister, I’d expect to be called the worst mother alive. And rightly so. I am doing everything in my power to get him the help he needs. If I wasn’t, go right ahead and tell me I’m doing wrong by my children, but I’m not. Yes the way I worded this was to show the severity of the situation BUT I also added that we clean, that we discuss that we are waiting for medical professionals and that my daughter isn’t suffering at all and I would know, I’m her mother. So your comment what really unnecessarily and quite frankly cruel.

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LucyLiz22 · 04/11/2023 09:42

Thankyou Mafsis. It was a really cruel comment. Some people need to really sit with themselves and think, if they think that that was an acceptable thing to post on this thread. Shameful.

But the school, doctors, SEND and CAHMS are all in the loop now. I’ve filled in all the appropriate paperwork, I’ve spoken to all people I need too, I’ve gotten all the balls rolling. It’s just taking so so long to get them all to get back to me in any capacity.

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Sickoffamilydrama · 04/11/2023 09:45

Smearing is quite common with SEN kids (and adults), Learning disabilities and trauma.

Even if you wanted to get him inpatient or residential treatment it's really so hard to get I doubt he'd meet the threshold.

ASD/ADHD assessments aren't hard to get (in that if he meets the criteria he'll be diagnosed) but the waiting lists are long. We waited for a year with our DD before we paid to go private, it's a few thousand pounds.

Have you done any of the mini quizzes online around ASD/ADHD? Certainly not being able express his feelings could be ASD, it doesn't mean he doesn't have them just that his brain can't access them or verbalise them.

It could be two things going on he could well have an SEN which if he does he had from birth plus the added trauma.

Try some of the distraction techniques with his buy in so suggest some to him see if he likes any.

No negative feedback or punishments you wouldn't punish a child with a hearing problem for not listening, he has a MH or Neurodivergent problem. Give him descriptive praise or statements i.e you managed not to smear as much last night or you haven't smeared yet.

Keep pushing everyone you can to get him help, unfortunately you have to be constantly on at them to get any kind of help.

Quitelikeacatslife · 04/11/2023 09:49

You are doing the right thing with school and GP. Go back to both, school will have professionals who can refer you , maybe to early help ? As well as getting possible diagnosis.
It sounds like he is talking to you and that's good, can you try and break the triggers that make him start, when he comes in from school maybe does homework in kitchen? Has a shower? Set Xbox up downstairs for a short while? Go do an activity he likes? Doesn't go straight to his room? You and him give room a big clear out, maybe move bed round , get new bedding? Something to break this cycle ? But swapping it for positive things ?

Sickoffamilydrama · 04/11/2023 10:18

That sounds great @Quitelikeacatslife the only thing I would say is if he does have an SEN particularly if he's been masking all day, then he needs some way to decompress after school.

Especially if he does have sensory issues as his nervous system will be overwhelmed.

Mine will go off to their rooms but some friends children have areas set up with spinning or rocking chairs.

Could you set up a meditation corner and all practice together? It's a good habit for everyone to learn and there's loads of audio instructional podcast etc. around.

I'm exploring an ADHD assessment and to help when I feel overloaded I quite like walking through the local nature reserve and the wooded bit and listen to the wind in the tress or listening to the birds.

Schoolchoicesucks · 04/11/2023 11:13

OP, I'm sorry that you're upset by some of the replies. You and your son are going through such a difficult thing and you're clearly doing your best to help him. I do think most posters have tried to be helpful.

I asked about school and how this impacts his sister as I was trying to understand whether he is able to exercise any control over his impulse to smear. Clearly he is as he you say it's confined to his room and to the room he has stayed in at his Nana's.

Is there a way to limit the time he spends in his room (of course he will sleep there) while giving him opportunity to decompress? I think some of the pp's comments about sensory input could be helpful here, not sure if you have tried things like slime, shaving foam etc. If he feels too old for these things could it be framed as an activity with his sister? Making slime in the bathtub, keeping a small pot of it as a fidget toy. Or some of those stretchy balls or figures. Sorry if you have tried all these things, just trying to come up with suggestions that may help in the meantime until the professional support is in place.

imip · 04/11/2023 11:22

Those that are suggesting inpatient settings 1, don’t realise how I’ll you actually have to be to get into them and 2, don’t realise how bloody traumatic they actually are!

i think this is pretty suggestive of him being autistic and I agree with all the pp mentioning something more sensory based. My dd did this also, but as she became a teenager, did it less. She isn’t all that embarrassed by it and understands it as part of her sensory needs. We did a lot of smelling oils in slime etc. she is 15 now but will still make ‘concoctions’ of scents/soaps and slime.

Winterscoming1 · 07/11/2023 08:53

Sorry, I posted here by mistake but just wanted to add how sorry I feel for your situation and hope you can get help to improve things

HurrahWuff · 17/02/2024 14:33

I know this thread is not recent, but likely you're still going through it.
My heart goes out to you and wondered whether you had heard of Mindjam.org.uk? If your son is into gaming he might find that he can connect with one of their mentors.

lostonmars · 17/02/2024 18:52

PabloandGustheGreySquirrels · 04/11/2023 01:15

Omg that is revolting. I'm deeply sorry for what your son was put through in the past, but this is horrific. It sounds very much like he genuinely needs in patient care in a sterile and most importantly, capable (professional care wise, I mean) environment. 24/7 carers on hand and psychologists. You can’t cope with this and it's not fair on your other child either.

How helpful and supportive 🙄

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