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Work and life totally out of balance, utterly miserable - any tips for getting through this (long post - sorry)?

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FlossieT · 07/01/2008 10:54

I feel like I'm going completely mad at the moment.

I'm working full time, in a job that I only started in mid-Sept last year. I am HATING it at the moment - even though on paper it should be my dream job, doing something I'm supposedly really interested in for a good company. I work from home 2-3 days a week, but have a 1.5-hour commute each way on the other days. It's a new post and the organisation is structurally very chaotic. I am really struggling to understand what is expected of me. I also can't seem to motivate myself to care about it (hmm, hence posting on Mumsnet when I am supposed to be working...).

I have 3 kids, two primary school age and one nearly 2 and in nursery. I am doing a terrible job of parenting them at the moment. The eldest is being completely poisonous - name-calling, answering back, picking fights with both his siblings (especially the middle one) and being physically extremely vicious with everyone. The middle is behaving no worse than usual - but has always been very difficult to handle as has no powers of concentration whatsoever if not motivated, doesn't eat, doesn't listen and is totally hyperactive. The youngest, previously a complete angel, is gearing up for the terrible twos by getting fussy about her food and particularly about where she eats it, copying her eldest brother's vicious behaviour and biting/hitting her siblings, and waking up screaming in the night (previously a reliably sound sleeper).

Instead of being patient and working with them to try and resolve things, I seem to spend about 95% of my time shrieking at them or smacking the older two (and I am NOT the sort of parent that thinks smacking is the automatic answer or the right thing to do).

DH had serious professional exams in October last year, on the results of which an important job offer was resting. He passed (just), but gearing up to the exam was immensely stressful - and since then, he has been working all hours because he swapped a lot of leave and odd shifts so he had time to revise before the exams. He also has no interest whatsoever in housework, household/financial admin, or the boring bits of childcare (like, reply slips for school, diary organisation, swimming lessons, making sure they go to bed on time.....) so I am doing all of that by myself.

I am totally exhausted. If I try to catch up on my sleep by going to bed early, all the chores don't get done, which either keeps me awake through anxiety, or keeps me awake the following night trying to catch up. If I stay up and do the chores, I end up going to bed really late because I can't go to sleep without taking time to wind down first, which inevitably sees me staggering into bed somewhere around 1am. Before Christmas, I was drinking virtually every night, and way more than is good for me. So far in Jan I have managed to stop during the week and limit myself at weekends (score 1 brownie point for me!).

The house is permanently filthy: I mostly manage to put the hoover over about 75% of it approximately once a week, but the bathroom rarely gets cleaned and I haven't even seen my bedroom floor for about 3 months.

I know what I need to do: I need to cut own my working hours. But I don't know how to go about it. I don't really know how far we can afford for me to cut back as I have lost all confidence in my ability to budget accurately (plus DH has been paid so erratically in the last few months that I have no idea which way is up). I also don't know how to approach work about it as I have only been in the job since September and am really embarrassed about going to them so early on and saying, you know, actually I can't hack this. I can't quit altogether as without my salary we have no money to pay for food (DH's covers fixed outgoings and mine does everything else).

I seem to be spending a large proportion of my waking hours crying and wasting time. I can't concentrate on anything. But I don't think I can face going to the GP and getting signed off as it makes me feel like such a failure, and I hate the way it would look to work. Plus DH is very scathing about "depression" and thinks I should just grit my teeth and get through it. He also thinks I shouldn't give up work, although this is partly due to the fact that his mum didn't work when he was growing up and ended up with serious depression, and he firmly believes that wouldn't have happened if she'd had something to do outside the home. So there are all sorts of marital issues there....

help. I don't know where to start but I can't go on like this.

Sorry about the long post.

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FlossieT · 07/01/2008 13:28

@motherinferior: when I said "seeing obstacles" I really meant, people like you giving me helpful advice and my instinctive reaction is always "but... but... but". I am doing myself no favours whatsoever in always seeing what is difficult to do rather than what's possible, but I can't seem to stop. And that makes me feel worse too, because during my year "off" (ha ha) with the youngest, I felt so good, was really positive and can-do, and managed to hang on to it when I went back to work despite a really horrible wrangle about my working conditions with my then employer and a witch-boss.

I don't know that I am considering leaving my job solely because of the housework situation... I am finding it pretty miserable at the moment. On the days I am actually in the office, no one talks to me - it's not that they're unfriendly, quite the opposite as they all talk to each other lots, just that they are very tight for space in the office and so I squat in a little patch of desk next to the printer, on a corridor. To get involved I have to leave my desk and talk to them which (a) makes me look like a prat (b) involves rather actively stopping working which is not a good message to send.

I also have no team to work with. I have a line manager, in theory, but he works from home almost exclusively and only comes in when he has meetings so I hardly ever see him, and he is not really interested in being a line manager in the sense of supporting and overseeing what I do.

I'm also finding it difficult to get information out of people to equip me to do my work. Previously, persisting doggedly in these situations until I got what I needed had been a special talent of mine - but I now find that I just can't be bothered any more. I no longer have any enthusiasm for asking the same questions over and over and if all else fails, shaming people into giving me what I need. It doesn't piss me off like it once would have - I just can't work up any head of steam to chase it. And I can't seem to care about it.

This would all be much easier if I wasn't desperate to spend more time with my kids - so I resent every wasted minute at my computer, despite what it's contributing to our food budget, because it's keeping me away from my baby.

I left my last job because they refused to let me reduce my hours after maternity leave and were resistant to flexible working... now I have the flexibility, but no job satisfaction. argh.

@Disco: that sounds pretty grim. I'm so glad you have figured out what you need to do and really hope you get through the asking bit OK! I'd love to see your household chores list, will send you my email.

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rebelmum1 · 07/01/2008 13:34

on the dh front I would book a weekend away and leave him to cope for the weekend. You have to sometimes just say sod it you do it I'm not going to be taken for granted. That might help get the message accross.

FlossieT · 07/01/2008 13:35

Not sure I have the stomach (no pun intended) to pull a sickie... though I am seriously considering it. The likelihood with school-age kids is I will get the norovirus "for real" at some point in the near future if the doom and gloom in the papers is correct!! Though at the moment that looks positively appealing. Hmm - I'd rather be seriously ill than go to work. Something is definitely not right with this picture.

I think I feel my persistent cold mutating into "flu".

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rebelmum1 · 07/01/2008 13:38

Sounds like you should get a job that is easy for a bit to me, make ends meet. Your job sounds awful I'm not surprised you're not enjoying it. Are there any garden centres near you

rebelmum1 · 07/01/2008 13:40

There you go you will be ill if you don't take the time off.. you can email or text..

motherinferior · 07/01/2008 13:41

Tell you what, Floss, next time I whinge about how I Never Go Out...

FlossieT · 07/01/2008 13:56

Definitely need an easier job. But I'm pretty gutted that this one doesn't seem to be working out as in theory, it is a perfect marriage of my education (I did an English degree, it's for a literary magazine) and my work experience (mostly web publishing after starting out in editorial, and I am supposed to be the "web manager"). Also it took me nearly six months to find this post (from beginning to look to actual job offer) so I feel pretty glum about the prospect of hauling my CV out again.

Budget is a Problem. Still don't actually know what husband's salary is despite him starting his new job in December. He is technically employed by a university but has an honorary contract with the NHS, and the hospital has failed to give the university the right bits of information so they can confirm. But I can make an educated guess, I suppose. (Yay - a positive thought!)

I do still go out occasionally but I usually regret it the next day....

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FlossieT · 07/01/2008 13:59

@discoMonkfish: can't seem to send you a message and I am a bit paranoid about posting emails in forums - can you send me a message or something so I can contact you for your list? I could do with cheering up

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rebelmum1 · 07/01/2008 14:28

People I find are the main factor in enjoying a job and doing it well, unfortunately they're not on paper and you don't know until you get the job how good, ruthless, dull, unhelpful those around you are.

Discomonkfish · 07/01/2008 14:31

Hi FlossieT, just tried to work out how to send you my email. Think you have to subscribe to Contact a Mumsnetter which I haven't done yet. I'll do it when I get home tonight and can prise the credit card off the old man

HonoriaGlossop · 07/01/2008 14:42

Flossie, you are doing an amazing job of holding this all together. You've had some really good advice, I just wanted to add my experience which is that I have done as someone here suggested and literally typed out a list of what needs doing every day. I've pinned it up in the kitchen and DH and I divide the jobs between us. It's really helped - without this, my DH would just not have realised the sheer amount of drudge there is to be done each day because as you say, some men just don't care about it.

It had got to the stage where I felt really down because our house was always a tip and that's just not how I want to live my life.

You are both working, so you must both divide the home stuff between you, specially the 'organising' side of things like sorting out who needs what for school, etc. It's too exhausting and stressful if the responsibility falls just one you to remember EVERYTHING.

I also wanted to say that I have been in my current job for a year and a half, and for the first year I felt like you, I absolutely HATED it. However the flexibility I have had here has kept me going - just; and now I'm glad...I feel on top of things and having gone through a year you feel that you pretty much have a handle on things. So I would say DO ask for less hours, go for it; and stick with it for a while because things just may come good.

Totally agree that you should think about a cleaner.

And I think that once the stress in the house reduces, so will the awful behaviour of the kids....I think they're just picking up on the difficulties at the mo. It's one of the very hardest things about kids; when you need them to give you a break and be angels, that they are at their very worst.

So I think yes have a family meeting and listen to them, great; but sort you and DH out and they will follow I think.

MirrorImage · 07/01/2008 15:30

FlossieT- I could be you, with a couple of minor differences- I have one dc(age 2) and my DH is not in paid employment at the moment.

I 'returned' from maternity leave to a new job, which I hate, even though like yours on paper it should be my ideal. The commute is horrific, and whilst there is theoretically the option to work from home when I want to, the culture in the office does not actually support this. It is reasonably well-paid, and was a very good move for me career-wise though. Plus, its in the same department I worked in before mat leave, so I know and like all my colleagues.

I work full time, our child is in nursery full time, yet DH does absolutely no housework. He takes our child to nursery, and brings them home, feeds tea, plays etc each day. Bedtime is 'done' by both of us but our child will only let me actually put them down to sleep IYSWIM. At weekends he does help with our child, but I still have to say 'right- its lunch time' or 'its naptime now' or decide what dc eats etc .

During the day (and all evening to be honest ) he works- he's a programmer- on his own software, which to be fair he is hoping to sell.

DH is only responsible for paying one household bill (council tax) which we received a red letter for in december!

I was so stressed in the run-up to christmas that I did sit down and talk to him about it. I actually took the step of taking one day a week unpaid leave for 3 months over christmas and new year in order to cope with all the housework/organisation etc -but even this did not spur him into action.

He has, in a later conversation, admitted that he does not know what needs doing, and that if I make a list of all the stuff that needs to be done, he will do something from the list each day. Perhaps leading on from your family meeting, this is the way forward?

In all honesty, I have let this situation occur- he has always run his own business previously, and thus worked all hours trying to get things off the ground, keep on top of things etc. Before having DC I never expected him to do anything around the house, as although I worked fulltime, he worked more hours than I did. I even did admin (tax/vat) for his business . At times I have earned more than him, at others, he more than me- that has never been an issue- all income is 'ours'.

Previously, I have been ill with depression for 10 years, so I know the signs, and this is what spurred me into action before christmas- I will not let myself get like that again, and I honestly have him to thank for me still being here, and supporting me through those dark days. For this reason I never drink (am a 'dry' alcoholic), and if you can, I advise you to give that up ASAP- will help financially, and healthwise, tbh its just numbing your problems not helping them go away.

I do not have any suggestions for the issues with your children- mine is too young- I would suggest it is the stress you're under that has lead you to these behaviours. Your children are problably just responding to household stress too! Another thing my DH has been responsible for is making me a much nicer person- in a previous life I too would have shouted and smacked my children. I am much more patient and non-violent now. (We've been together 14 years)

I think your DH is right about you still needing some work outside the home. However, he needs to realise that you therefore need more support in the home. His exams are over- he has no excuse not to help with crappy chores now! They are his children/his laundry/bathroom etc too. As I mentioned previously, it may be simply that he does not know what needs doing,and needs some serious pointers. My DH lives on another planet much of the time, and lovely person though he is, he is completely oblivious to reality most if the time.
He actually had the cheek to look hurt when I said I would not start ttc DC No.2 until he was in paid employment as I would likely have to give up work completely then!

Small steps are best. I have found that it helps to not worry so much about getting stuff done/ things being a tip . As long as I have something to wear next day, I try not to worry that there are 4 loads of washing to be ironed in the basket etc. Though I appreciate this is very difficult, but needs must! As long as Dcs have what they need for school ( in our house, as long as dc has a clean cup for morning milk, I go to bed and ignore the kitchen)

Sorry- prob rambling, but hope some makes sense, begins to help

MirrorImage · 07/01/2008 15:34

Haha- loads of posts while I wrote this epic (I am actually at work ) so- looks like most men are as oblivious as mine.

Think this thread will help me a lot too- so thanks for being brave and talking about it!

Quattrocento · 07/01/2008 15:34

Flossie - I could have written your post - sorry you are going through this

Quattrocento · 07/01/2008 15:37

Flossie - more practically - as well as cutting down your hours, could you arrange a cleaner to help?

If you feel like a chat, let me know and i'll post my email address. I can't get CAT to work (have tried tech help and failed but too busy to sort it out)

FlossieT · 07/01/2008 16:13

@MirrorImage: good idea about getting DH to pick stuff from the list to do. He did get me to talk him through a "typical" day a week or two ago in an effort to try and understand what I was finding so difficult. But I think a physical list may get the message across a bit more. Though I think I may also need to include approximate timings... when I do list verbally everything I'm doing, I get the distinct impression it doesn't sound like much to him because he's got no real idea how long each thing takes.

I already gave up ironing years ago. As much as possible we wear clothes that look passable without ironing (although I still get the wretched thing out for job interviews, smart frocks etc.). My eldest, aged 2, actually told my mum that we didn't own an iron....

@Quattrocento: would love to chat. I do feel lifted by these posts even if very little concrete in my situation has changed (yet). We started our family very early so most of my friends either don't have kids or have only just started having them, and I only have 1 friend with children that works full-time (and her husband stays home with the kids for the most part). So don't really know anyone that is facing the same sorts of issues.

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FlossieT · 07/01/2008 17:08

@DiscoMonkfish: sorry, I hadn't realised there was a charge for the contact facility!! bugger paranoia - my Gmail username is flossie [dot] teacake if you want to give that a go before breaking out the credit card.

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Heathcliffscathy · 07/01/2008 17:39

may I wholeheartedly commend this lot they charge a bit more £10.99 an hour but are fantastically efficient and will send someone else if your cleaner is sick or on holiday

it will take the pressure off you finding a cleaner as they are all CRB checked and reliable trustworthy individuals. i have no interest in the company btw, other than my neighbour uses them, now we do and couldn't be happier.

obv this assumes you are in london which you probably aren't!!!

Notquitegrownup · 07/01/2008 17:42

LOL at the iron Flossie. My ds1 picked up a toy one at a playgroup when he was about 4 and asked very loudly what it was!

Following your thread with interest and not a little sympathy. I do so know how you feel.

FlossieT · 08/01/2008 10:30

@sophable - sadly not London (though it's where I work) but thanks for the recommendation. I've also asked a friend for contact details for the agency she uses as she has been very pleased with them.

Have called in sick today and just on my way back to bed... had constructive talk with DH last night too about dividing up household jobs more fairly. Not that we actually did the dividing, but established that in principle, he was willing to look at it - with the proviso that if a task is "his" responsibility, I have to leave him to do it "his" way.... which could be tough but anything must be a step forward from where we are now. Also talked through some of the work issues with him and feel a bit more prepared to tackle that when I am back in the office on Thursday.

Baby steps. but at least steps rather than just crumpling up in a soggy mess.

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Discomonkfish · 08/01/2008 10:45

@FlossieT - glad to hear you've taken a break, I've just tried your email address but I must have got it wrong as it's come back undeliverable?

Discomonkfish · 08/01/2008 10:45

@FlossieT - glad to hear you've taken a break, I've just tried your email address but I must have got it wrong as it's come back undeliverable?

Heathcliffscathy · 08/01/2008 13:01

good on you flossie....that is real progress.

perhaps taking the time to scribble down the jobs whilst in bed? and then do the dividing tonight? strike while the irons hot. also he won't start doing it until you divide.

he is right though, you're going to have to grit your teeth....having said that he does actually have to get the things done.

FlossieT · 08/01/2008 20:58

Starting on my list of jobs now. My children seem to be ranged against me atm - the middle and smallest in particular keep insisting that I have to do EVERYTHING (feed dinner, change nappies, change clothes, read stories, brush teeth, the list seems endless) and scream blue murder if it is suggested daddy might do some of it.

I still feel totally exhausted despite a day off and a good sleep in the afternoon. Working from home tomorrow but already dreading it

Better psych myself up...

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Heathcliffscathy · 08/01/2008 22:09

flossie, kids don't like it when things are different.

get a lock for your bedroom door, lock yourself in and leave daddy to it. they'll soon be begging for him! a new problem...