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Manipulated and emotionally blackmailed by my horrible alcoholic father. (Long, sorry)

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fedup1981 · 23/12/2007 23:33

Sorry this is long, I've never told anyone the whole story. You don't have to read it or respond, I just really need to get this off my chest tonight.

To give some background: my dad has always been an aggressive nasty man who used to beat my mum and siblings black and blue when he was younger. He has been drinking for the last ten years, currently it's about a bottle of vodka/rum a night. My mum died almost three years ago from terminal cancer and he was horrible throughout her illness, drinking and being abusive to her, not getting up til 8pm, threatening her, being aggressive towards the dog until mum would have to get out of bed and come downstairs to "rescue" her, and dad would draw mum into a row etc- Basically he's just a complete hateful bastard.

She was the most special person and wonderful mother you could hope to meet, and the hub of our family. So of course after she died he got even more self pitying, and while the rest of us have picked ourselves up and moved on in the three years since, he just sits and broods and does absolutely NOTHING from one week to the next. Nothing at all, just sits and watches TV, drinks and phones people to moan about his shitty life.

His house is like something from How Clean Is Your House, it stinks and he has no self respect, wears dirty clothes, doesn't wash or shave very often and soils himself. (Needless to say we never go to his house because we have a young baby and it's incredibly unhygenic)

He causes trouble in the neighbourhood, staring out local youths and shouting threats at them if they happen to stop to talk outside his house or drop litter, until they egg his house, smash up his car or throw things at him from passing cars like a drive-by. He leaves the eggs on his house year round so passersby will ask what has happened and he'll get the sympathy vote.

Wherever we've lived in the last ten years the local kids have called him "paedophile" because he has to be over friendly with the local little girls. He'll happily chat to them for hours outside his house. I don't believe anything untoward has gone on but he doesn't seem to be able to stop himself from speaking to them, no matter how many times he's been called a paedophile for doing so.

Sometimes I wonder about his attentions on me in my own childhood. I have vague memories of things which I'm not sure are real or imagined. I don't really want to try and remember, the thought of what I might find scares me.

In the past he was overfriendly with my niece, asking her inappropriate questions about her own father simply because she said she had seen her dad naked, and because he disliked the guy for having an education. He put two and two together and decided she was being sexually abused (she wasn't) so kept on drawing her and her toddler brother into the back room and questioning them about what their dad had "done" to them. He didn't tell anyone what he was doing -not even his own wife- until one night he drove over to their fathers house drunk and tried to fight him.

The impact of this blew the family apart for a while, then after a couple of years when things had finally calmed down, there was another incident where he was alone with the children and my nieces little brother came in and told us "Ugh, Grandad just kissed my sister's boob" (niece was about 11 at this point) which caused obviously LOTS more uproar. He isn't to be trusted on any level.

So anyway, there's this whole horrid history, but even after all that, things eventually calmed down again. My sister and I were caring for my mother for two long drawn out painful years with dad being a pita at every opportunity. So when she died, because dad let the house and himself deteriorate, and didn't get up til 8pm, my sister quite rightly said she wouldn't be bringing the kids over to his house but he was welcome to come over anytime he wanted to see them. (FAR more than he deserved after his behaviour)

Of course he took this to mean "I hate you, I'm taking my kids away from you" So he fell out with her and hasn't spoken to her since. But at every opportunity he bangs on about it to me and it makes me extremely uncomfortable. He's literally obsessed with it, it's very creepy. He replays it all in his head but his own twisted version to make it look like my lovely generous reasonable sister is evil. (She's a wonderful person, a healer)

He tells me he thinks about it constantly and he's always thinking up sly reasons to question me as to what she's doing and what her kids are doing, brooding about it all and manipulating me into telling me things about her.

Recently we were all going to a family bash which he was invited to, but he said he wasn't going and then he tailed my sisters car all the way to the event, and when he got there, he snubbed my sister and beckoned her kids into a corner to speak to them. It was his big chance to repair things and he did nothing, but he's constantly whining to me that she's keeping him away from his grandchildren, and he's deeply hurt. SHE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING!!! and actually I think it's a very good thing he doesn't regularly see those children as he acts like such a fucking weirdo around them.

Anyway, sorry this is so so so long. I'm getting to the main issue here- As I said I've just had my first baby, and as I have my own little family now I've invited my dad round for christmas dinner, but despite coming round once a week for his dinner and getting one or two calls a week from me, it's never enough, and he's just called me drunk and depressed the shit out of me, telling me he has nothing to live for, nothing to get up for, that he just lives in one stone cold room and never has hot meals, and he's so desperately sad about "not being allowed to see his grandchildren" (despite the fact that, as she does every year, my sister has sent him a christmas card and an open invite to see them) and went into this massive rant about it. I tried to get him off the subject but he just said "it's alright for you, you've got a partner and a baby, I've got no-one and nothing"

I want to scream at him that he had my mother for nearly 40 years and beat her black and blue and terrorised his kids, but I'm too scared of him to answer him back (before anyone asks, I'm 26) He acts like he's the only one who lost mum. He can get a new wife, I can never get a new mother, ffs. I'm so angry that he's making me feel guilty for having a little bit of happiness after all the shit in my life so far.

I have so much guilt about my dad living alone in that big cold empty house, and his drinking worries me so much as I know one day I'll be the one to break into his house and find him dead on the floor. He tells me he has nothing to live for, and that he "probably has lung cancer" etc to get attention and sympathy. He loves it when I go away from a phonecall sad and feeling guilty for having a nicer life than him (not saying much, we're on the breadline and can't even afford a christmas tree)

Bless you if any of you have read this far, it's a grim story and it weighs heavy on my shoulders. There's no way out of my situation as I'm very very soft, and empathic to a fault, I'd feel too guilty to freeze him out of my life as he only has us and my brothers, but nothing is ever enough and I'm tired of his manipulation and using me to offload his depression onto.

Bless you if any of you have read this far, it's a grim story and it weighs heavy on my shoulders. I'm so down already, he makes me feel so bad I can't stop crying, can't cope with the weight of the sadness. And now my sister is off on holiday for two weeks, so my support is gone and I feel so scared and bereft.

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fedup1981 · 23/12/2007 23:42

Don't know why I repeated myself in the last two paragraphs, tried to edit it but it went a bit crazy.

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slopeyjoe · 23/12/2007 23:48

fed-up, no advice to you but you sound like a wonderful, caring and generous woman. i have read your post with tears in my eyes, it strikes many chords with me and i pray you can find some peace in this very difficult situation.
xxx

fedup1981 · 23/12/2007 23:59

Thanks, I feel a bit better for just writing it out, my partner just isn't comfortable discussing it all with me. Can't blame him at all, it's not nice thinking that you're having such a person in your house for christmas dinner, let alone around your new baby (he's a boy, thank god. Dad won't be interested in him the same way as he was with my niece)

Needless to say he's never left alone with my baby and if I ever had any reason to believe my child was in any kind of danger at all he'd never see us again. But for now, I just can't cope with any more guilt so can't shut him out.

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fedup1981 · 24/12/2007 00:00

Thank god for MN, I don't know what I'd do if I didn't have anywhere to offload all this onto.

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SpawnChorus · 24/12/2007 00:03

Fed-up - I don't know what to say really. Your father sounds like a very very difficult person to deal with,but you clearly know this already. Remember that he makes his own choices in life. You are not responsible for his feelings. You owe him nothing.

Do you still somehow feel responsible for him? I know my Mum still feels responsible for (and love for) her father who was cruel and abusive towards her.

You have your own family. You deserve your own happiness.

Saturn74 · 24/12/2007 00:05

fedup, what a horrible situation.

It sounds like your father is an extremely abusive and unpleasant man.

Could you clarify one point - what happened when your nephew accused your father of kissing his sister's breast?

Was it true?

Because if it was, I cannot understand why you or your sister have any contact with this man at all.

madamez · 24/12/2007 00:07

SO sorry to hear you are having such a ghastly time. It sounds as though your father is basically mentally ill: have social services ever been involved? If not, you might find it helpful to call them (even anonymously) because knowing that the professionals are involved in his care might help you feel more free to enjoy your own life - and well done, BTW, for building a nice life for yourself after what sounds like a dreadful childhood. You are obviously a really strong, positive and wonderful person.

fortyplus · 24/12/2007 00:13

Not much advice - just sympathy.

I can understand what you say about him acting as though he's the only one who lost anyone. My mum (who is lovely) was very hard to deal with when my dad was dying - she wanted everything her own way and didn't understand other people's feelings at all. She didn't even want to tell his brothers he was in hospital as she didn't want them coming to see him and 'upsetting' him.

wessexgirl · 24/12/2007 00:16

This is horrible for you - you have no duty towards him. You owe him nothing. I hope you can either leave him to it or alert social services to him.

fedup1981 · 24/12/2007 00:31

Thanks guys, I've never thought of involving social services no- maybe it's an idea but I've no idea what good it would do. It'd probably just mean I'd get even more "the world is coming to an end" phonecalls and he'd make me tell him why it was so very very unjust that they were "picking on him".

He's on very strong medication for his depression and his fits of rage- without them he's just so nasty, twisted, vengeful and aggressive. He's not that much better ON the pills but it takes the edge off his mental problems a bit.

Humphreycushion, my nephew was about eight or so when the incident happened, my sister, mother and I were in one room, my dad and the children were in another. My nephew came in and told us what had happened, my sister went and got the children in the car, they were scared and didn't know "what they'd done" Poor little sods. My niece was desperately embarassed and trying to shut her little brother up.

I'll be honest with you, I'm so scared of him I just stayed in the room while my sister (with the kids out of earshot) blasted my father, they had a blazing row then she left. My mother just had her face in her hands. No-one knew what to say. He eventually came in acting like he'd been stabbed.

Why would my nephew say it if it didn't happen? He's a good child, not prone to lying at all, he isn't smutty and appeared to be shocked and embarassed by it. Those are pretty real emotions if you ask me, but at the time I was so scared of the repercussions I just kept quiet.

I'm embarassed of my actions but you can't always act the way you want to when you've been raised to fear him. The fear wasn't without due cause. My mum had a large dent in her forehead from him punching her in the face when she was pregnant years earlier. He strangled my 15 yr old brother for some minor offence, my brother got a blood clot and had quite a serious stroke. (I never got hit as I was born 15 years after the other children, I just had the mental cruelty which obviously is still going on)

In any case, when mum got so ill the family re-formed in order to make her last months the best they could be. My sister doesn't speak to him now but as I said she does send christmas cards to appease her OWN guilt because apart from my dad we are a close and loving family and we wouldn't dream of shutting anyone out on purpose, but my dad is a special case.

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Saturn74 · 24/12/2007 00:36

I think his actions mean he has shut himself out of your family.

You have nothing to feel guilty about.

I think contacting social services is a very good idea.

And I think you may all benefit from some counselling - particularly your niece and nephew.

madamez · 24/12/2007 00:47

Fedup: I don't think you owe this horrible man anything. I appreciate that you feel you do (because, frankly, many abuse victims do still feel an awful mixture of love, obligation and guilt towards their abusers and make no mistake, your father has been abusive to his whole family). This is why it may be a very good idea to involve social services, because as well as helping you feel that he is now someone else's responsibility (and they are getting paid for dealing with him) there will be some help available for you as well.
My very best wishes to you for a better future.

fedup1981 · 24/12/2007 00:49

I don't know if they'll even remember now. Or want to talk about it, at least. I don't know how my sister handled it, I was away at uni at the time really, and burying my head in the sand.

I feel so guilty for leaving my mum to deal with all this shit. She deserved a better life than the one he gave her. I was such a selfish bitch to her too when I was younger. I have so many regrets.

Counselling probably would be a good idea but don't know how to get a referral, my gp is a very unsympathetic type who looks at his watch a lot when you speak, don't know if he'd be much help really. Couldn't hurt to try though.

Thanks for your responses, I didn't think anyone would have the patience to read it all.

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sb6699 · 24/12/2007 00:57

Don't have any experience of this but just wanted to let you another ear is out there.

Good suggestion to contact social services they can keep an eye on him and you won't have to worry about "finding him dead on the floor".

FWIW, you don't have anything to feel guilty about. No-one could blame you for closing that door and never opening it again.

If he ends up alone - he's brought it on himself.

mehdi · 24/12/2007 01:00

hi fed up. This man has dominated your life for far too long. Its an easy think for a man to be called dad but a real man to be one. I lost my dad three years ago he was the most loving caring man i will ever have the fortune to call my dad you are not to blame for any of this and you have already proven you are a strong woman you have another human life. He has already ruined so many lives he will never change please dont think he night. Please see a counsellor it really does help. You are not alone at all wish i could make it better sending you a hug

fedup1981 · 24/12/2007 01:09

Thanks guys, I feel so much better from being able to get all this off my chest and from your sympathetic words. I really appreciate it.

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LoveAngelGabriel · 26/12/2007 14:43

To be brutally honest, I think your father sounds like a horrible, poisonous person - and cutting him out of your life would be the best thing you could do. He sounds irreversibly damaged as a person and nasty beyond belief (the bits about his possible interest in children are deeply disturbing...I wonder why you have skirted over this a bit, almost like it doesn't matter??) The way he treated your mother, even on her deathbed, just shows his true colours.

Your guilt is the one thing he has left to manipulate you with - the one little bit of power he has left. By constantly making you feel bad about yourself and trying to get your pity, he is controlling you But the truth is, you dad has made his own life, his own choices...and if he has fucked things up, he has done so himself. I don't mean to sound bitter or overly harsh, but some people never change, never learn and never, ever really think about anyone but themselves - your dad sounds like this type of man. It's never going to be a happy ending, here. He is an alcoholic, violent, self pitying, very, very damaged, unhappy and nasty person. He is never going to be the father (or husband) he should have been. Why let him poison things for your little family in the future? I wouldn't let him have the chance, sorry.

ally90 · 26/12/2007 15:07

Hi Fedup1981

{{{{hugs}}}}

What a terrible time you've had.

You may find these links helpful.

Current abusive family thread

Previous abusive family thread

Definition of various personality disorders.

The final link may help you put your finger on what is wrong with him. If any of the personality disorders ring a bell, there are many self help books for all about the disorder and how they affect other people, such as family, and it is possible to have more than one personality disorder. Its just validation really and support.

Abused adult children often have something called FOG when it comes to parents. Fear, Obligation and Guilt. Sounds like you have all three...

Pop onto the current family abuse thread, copy and paste your post on there if you want...your more than welcome to do so.

Hope some of that helps

xxx

madmouse · 28/12/2007 12:14

Yes, i too have read all the way to the bottom. What a strong person you are to have come this far and go through all this and still be able to set up your own family. Amazing and a real blessing that after all this you are still a soft and caring person.

This is gonna sound harsh, but you don't know me so if you hate me for saying it i can live with it (). Please do end all contact with him at least for a while. Your empathy and obvious love for him are not going to help him as long as he is doing his best not to change the situation he is in. Tell him he is welcome in your life after he has been to his GP and has started counselling and AA.

And I recommend that you ask your GP about referral for Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, which can help you learn new ways of behaving towards your father withour violating yourself and who you are.

daisynova · 29/12/2007 16:14

First I think you are incredibly brave to get all this out of your system and on here where it must be hard to read some people's responses. I have never been in this situation however have a lot of experience with depression as my parents, brother and myself have all suffered from it from one time or another. In fact, my mother and brother still suffer vadly from it.

From my own experience, drinking whilst on anti-depressants is such a dangerous thing to do. I did it once and it turned me into a complete lunatic. I scared myself so badly with my behaviour. With your Dad on strong medication and drinking excessively then the pills just won't work and the alcohol will act as a depressant. Is there any way he would go for any alcohol counselling? If not, then I think trying to get him sectioned may be the best way forward.

I know you said that your doctor is not sympathetic but is there another doctor you can speak to? If not then I would definitely tell your doctor that you need help with you and your father - he/she is duty bound to help you. If he doesn't then social services is a good way to go. You need to get your father some help as telling you to get him out of your life is not going to happen - you have said as much yourself. So if you can't cut him out then you need to get him some help. Ask your family to help you and back you up if even to get him sectioned. It may be his last chance of getting better - if he can.

As for yourself, you need to get some counselling too. You need to stop feeling guilty as none of this is your fault. And blaming yourself for not saying anything before (due to fear) is not fair - many people are not strong enough to say anything.

It has taken me 4 years to eventually stand up to my parents over my brother's depression and he is only now getting the help that I think he needs. It killed me to tell my parents that if they didn't do something quickly then my brother would commit suicide - it hurt them so badly - but it had to be done. I just feel that despite the hurt it caused at the time (only a few weeks ago) then I would be burying my brother now.

Hood luck to you honey. You sound like you could do with a big hug to start with and then lots of support which you can always get on here.

daisynova · 29/12/2007 16:17

Sorry forgot to say, I think it would help sitting down and discussing this with your sister. Ask her what happened when your nephew said what had happened with your Dad and niece. I think you really need to understand the situation better and to find out if your sister resents that you didn't say anything as I expect you probably feel bad for not standing up for your sister.

yomellamoHelly · 29/12/2007 16:31

First step I took in gaining the upper hand was to get caller id so I could choose when to speak to my parents (specifically my father actually). I also got to the point where I knew exactly what he was doing with his whole 'poor me' act and to be honest that's when I started to stop caring and started switching off. Get your dh onside and formulate a strategy for dealing with him. It sounds like your sister is quite open about not being drawn into his games. It also sounds like it's quite effective. Pick your approach and be consistent. Get social services involved. You don't have to be unfeeling and uncaring in managing your father but you do need to set some boundaries and there's no law that says you have to take responsibility for everything. Lastly use this place as a sounding board if your dh isn't around because you can bet your father'll pull his best moves out of the hat to fight this while it's still new. Also tell your sister what you're doing. My brothers have been ace and really supportive.

foxinsocks · 29/12/2007 16:31

I'm so sorry, what a nightmare for you.

Yes, I agree with others - do call social services. I had to do this for a relative and called the local council first (they normally have a section for elderly care) and they put me through to the right person in social services and went round and did an assessment.

Just remember, he is trying to manipulate your feelings so that you feel sorry for him. I think the only way you can escape those guilty feelings is to cut him out altogether but it sounds like you don't want to do that. I always think it helps to try and pretend someone else is telling you the story - here you have an abusive man, who physically abused your mother while she was dying and who potentially was sexually inappropriate with other family members. I mean, it sounds mad, doesn't it, that you want to keep contact with him just because he happens to be your own father?

But having said all that, I can empathise with that level of family guilt - I think it is very difficult to walk away from the situation without getting outside help like counselling or having a very strong support group because you need to figure out why you can't bear to leave him.

I actually think for 26 you have an incredible amount of insight and it comes across as though you are ready to take the next step in dealing with it all. Change GPs if you think your current one is crap and find one that will help support you through this.

nuttynoel · 29/12/2007 16:40

I have so much sympathy for you. The gist, although not all the detail, of your story is very much like mine. Although in our family I was the healer-type sister, I suppose.
I took the incredibly difficult decision in November that I just could not have any more contact with my dad. Although I was the always one trying to take his feelings into account as he picked his way through getting old (he's nearly 80), health frailer (he has multiple problems), moods swinging like a trapeze, I also was the one he turned on, verbally and physically, and I just couldn't deal with it anymore. He refuses all kinds of help/treatment from the NHS.
I suffer lots of guilt over this. Try to support my sisters as best I can, both practically and emotionally.
It is not nice what I have done. But for the sake of my dcs, my dh, and my relationship with my sisters (he constantly tried to drive wedges between us), this is the way things are. I feel quite peaceful about this now.

Threadworm · 29/12/2007 16:49

It is such a tribute to you that you have come through all this to become a warm and caring person, and to have warm and supportive relationships with your sister and other family members.

You must not allow your father to make you feel guilty, or to pressure you into having the sort of contact with him that would undermine the successful family life that you have built for yourself and your child.

If it comes to the point where you decde no contact is possible, don't feel bad: you have done all you can. If you do want to stay in contact, ask him to make some of the running. If possible, say that you don't want to see or hear from him except when he is sober.

Best wishes.