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EMDR and personality change?

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AnchoChilli · 20/02/2020 17:34

Does anyone have experience of a friend or family member having a marked personality change after EMDR therapy? My sister had treatment for PTSD about 18 months ago and since then has gradually become what I can only describe as a complete cow.

She had it to help her deal with the aftermath of an abusive relationship, but we both had an abusive childhood and are NC with other family members so I know a lot of that trauma will have come up too. She found the treatment difficult and didn’t want to talk about it so I don’t know many details, but I think she had about 5 sessions.

In the time since then, she’s lost a massive amount of weight, too fast for good health really (e.g. her hair fell out, and her hands turned orange because she was eating so many carrots) and she’s become very snotty about the fact that I need to lose weight myself. (I know this, but don’t need reminding constantly, particularly as she also offers me fattening crap at every opportunity.) She’s also become assertive to the point of aggression. She’s walked out of one job because she was constantly at loggerheads with colleagues and is on the brink of being fired from another because she’s been bullying her coworkers. She told me all about it and seemed proud of having put people ‘in their place’. It’s as though she has taken on the role of the abusers we suffered from as children. It feels like she’s being driven by a hypnotic suggestion that’s too extreme - like she’s got exactly the power she asked for but it’s a toxic thing now she’s got it.

I’ve tried to be understanding. I realise that when people get stronger, those who’ve known them at their weakest can be thrown off by their new assertiveness, but all these years she and I have supported each other and no one wanted her to get strong more than me. Now that she is, she’s using her new-found confidence to bully me and everyone else and I am just at the end of my tether with all the criticism, sneering and nastiness. She’s the only family I have left (we are both NC with all the others) so I’m really saddened to find myself feeling like this, but there are limits to what I feel I can put up with for my own mental health. (Fortunately I have a supportive partner and good friends, so I’m OK, but her behaviour is particularly triggering because of the associations with the past.)

Does anyone else have experience of this? Any advice? Could it be the EMDR? Has it not been done properly or might this occur if she stopped without completing all her sessions? Is it just coincidence? I was considering EMDR myself but not after this. I would really appreciate any insights.

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user53976478853 · 20/02/2020 17:51

It feels like she’s being driven by a hypnotic suggestion that’s too extreme

EMDR is not hypnosis, and has nothing to do with hypnosis, the person is fully conscious and aware throughout. There are no suggestions, it's just memory processing. The person puts themselves in a memory and then lets the brain work through it without interfering. The therapist doesn't make suggestions, they just provide support and help you if you get stuck in a memory or become too distressed.

There's no set number of sessions, it depends if it's effective in reducing distress and if it's safe to continue. It couldn't "break" someone to stop the work.

From the little you've shared it sounds like she is very much still mired in trauma and trying to work through it. Assertiveness is something that most people have both successes and failures with when they first try to develop those skills, for instance. It is very easy to go too far in a direction. Recovering from complex PTSD can be a messy business.

EMDR can bring trauma to the surface and increase distress while the processing happens (it continues in between sessions), but it doesn't do the things you're crediting it with or even work how you seem to be suggesting. It can be extremely distressing and gruelling, so it's fair enough she didn't want to discuss it.

To me, it sounds like she's trying to work through things and perhaps some of her coping mechanisms lately aren't the best, but I think it's simplistic to blame it on any single factor. It's not ok to hurt others but I could see how perhaps she was driven to feel in control or that she won't be hurt anymore and hasn't got the balance right. Have you been able to discuss the aggression with her? Food issues can be about trying to feel in control too.

Have you read Pete Walker's book/website on complex PTSD? It might help with your own journey and possibly in understanding what you're seeing with your sister.

AnchoChilli · 20/02/2020 18:23

Thank you @user53976478853. I didn't mean to suggest that EMDR was related to hypnosis, I was just trying to describe how she's coming across.

I understand how EMDR works but haven't known anyone personally who's been through it so haven't got anything to compare with what seems to be happening to her. All the first person testimony I read consists of people saying how life-changing it is in a positive way, even after minimal sessions. I haven't even read anything suggesting people can go through a long, messy process of distress before that breakthrough, so what you are saying is useful, thank you.

It all seems so extreme. She's throwing a 30-year career down the toilet because she can't stop abusing her managerial power over people. I worry about what might happen next but also feel like I'm seeing a car crash unfold and I'm finding it hard to keep watching. She's turned into the kind of bully she would once have despised.

Maybe it's nothing to do with the EMDR but the timing is what made me wonder.

She won't talk to me, no. She's in complete denial. I tried to gently challenge some of the bullying behaviour towards me and she flew into a rage. (This is a fairly typical response to any perception of criticism and not new.) If I want to have a relationship with her at all, I would need to avoid too much of that or she will just shed me. That's 'what we do' in my family. (I'm aware of the irony, yes.) Sad

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Elle7rose · 21/02/2020 01:51

I had EMDR last year and I think I've experienced episodes of distress/rage since it. The EMDR was not even for hugely significant trauma so I wonder whether it has more to do with the eye-tracking causing agitation... not sure though!

AnchoChilli · 21/02/2020 10:50

That sounds really hard @Elle7rose. I hope you have support. Flowers

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Elle7rose · 23/02/2020 00:19

Thanks Ancho! I hope things improve for you and your sister.

Just realised I must have written that post whilst drunk to refer to 'rage'... way to honest!

Elle7rose · 23/02/2020 00:19

*too

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