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Is this a MH issue with dd?

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Fink · 19/10/2019 21:16

This is very long, in an attempt not to drip feed. There’s a 1 line summary at the end if you can’t manage all this!

DD (age 9) is seeing a counsellor through CAMHS. She doesn’t have any kind of label or diagnosis. She was referred for difficulties with socialising (no friends) & low level disruption in class. I don’t know if they think she is depressed, anxious, or what.

There is a different problem at home which I’m wondering whether to bring to the attention of the counsellor. And just how to deal with in general.

She is very messy. This, in itself, I think it probably normal. But she will often shove things in inappropriate places rather than put them away neatly. So I’ll find clean laundry balled up and shoved under the bed, for example. She also does this with dirty laundry – I often find dirty underwear (not particularly soiled, just worn) behind a bookcase, under an armchair etc. All in her own room, not around the house. I can’t understand why she would do this. Surely it’s no more difficult to put things in a laundry basket than it is to squirrel them away somewhere inappropriate. And it’s not constant: she does put some underwear in the laundry basket. There are also loads of stationery, food wrappers (even though she’s not allowed to eat upstairs so she’s hiding this), clothes hangers, and general rubbish hidden in all these places. There are quite a lot of these hiding places so sometimes I don’t find things for a while, it’s quite disgusting.

I’ve tried talking to her about it several times. Every week I’ll find at least one stash. Today it took three hours to tidy her room while looking for her lost homework book even though the room had been ostensibly tidy-ish before we began. It was chocked full of things shoved into wrong places. She has no idea why she does it.
I used to think it was just laziness. That she found it easier than putting things in their proper place. But it really isn’t true that it would take any longer to put a pen in a drawer than to deliberately hide it under a mattress, and she’s old enough to understand this, so I don’t get it from that point of view at all.

I wonder if it’s some sort of compulsive behaviour, but I’ve got no real idea.

Her dad, my ex-h, is very messy too and never cleans the house. But he doesn’t deliberately hide things, he would just drop them in the middle of the floor. To me, this is a different behaviour (I mention this because I’ve talked about it with dm and she thinks dd is just taking after her dad). She sees him for one day every weekend but normally doesn’t stay overnight so most of her contact is with me.

I’m quite tidy, though not obsessive about it, and our house is generally reasonably tidy but homely – I’m saying that because I was reading up about hoarding and it was talking about either growing up in a messy home, or growing up lacking material (or emotional) things and being afraid, subconsciously, of not having enough. None of this is true for dd.

Does anyone have any experience of this sort of thing? Any advice how to address it? Or what it is? Please help!

TL:DR – DD deliberately hides dirty clothes and other things around her room. What can I do?

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PurpleFrames · 19/10/2019 21:22

Mention it to the team- they're there to support you both!

Fink · 19/10/2019 22:08

Thanks, I will do.

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lonelyinacrowd39 · 20/10/2019 08:08

Is your ex a hoarder?

Fink · 20/10/2019 08:43

Is your ex a hoarder?

No, not at all. Neither of us are.

And dd doesn't really fit the hoarder pattern, exactly. She does collect things she finds (pebbles on a beach, conkers, magazines), but she doesn't have a problem throwing them away when told to. The things she doesn't want to throw away could conceivably have some value to an average child - e.g. particularly pretty stones. When she does tidy up, she sometimes just throws everything away rather than sort it out - so yesterday, for example, she threw out several decent hairbands, a purse, a yoyo, and a roll of sellotape.

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lonelyinacrowd39 · 20/10/2019 20:29

Maybe you could give her a box/tub to put everything in she doesn't feel like sorting out. as a 1st step , rather than stashing things under her mattress etc.

Mention it to camhs as it may be relevant. x

WalnutBerry · 22/10/2019 12:42

Can you go through her room with her, have a clean and tidy/sort out, get her to pick out colourful storage boxes, and decide where she wants to keep things. Have one box where she puts things to sort later. Maybe a charity box for stuff she decides is junk? Organise her prized collections e.g. stones into a wall mounted display for example.

Use reminders and positive reinforcement - explaining and noticing / praising when she puts laundry away correctly. By the 50th (yes 50th) reminder, the resistance becomes that it is easier just to do the thing. Patience and persistence even if it seems counter intuitive (surely it can't be that hard - yes it is). How about a worry box where she can write down things to talk to you about later.

WalnutBerry · 22/10/2019 14:41

Another good solution is visual reminders / checklists.

Fink · 22/10/2019 14:55

Thanks.

She had her room redecorated and re-arranged earlier this year, and she chose all the storage boxes and things. No difference to the behaviour.

I do go through it with her and help her tidy, about once a week to once a fortnight. And I do praise her when it's done properly - although I have to bite my lip because quite often it looks like it's done properly and then I'll later find that it's been stashed somewhere.

The worry box sounds like a good idea. And possibly lonelyinacrowd's idea of a box of things to tidy later, although I'd have to make it clear that things like laundry couldn't be put in it.

Thanks for the advice.

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