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Would you sever these ‘friendships’ for the sake of your mental health? (Warning, long!)

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TheGigglingGazelle · 16/08/2019 19:09

Need perspectives on a friendship issue. This needs to be long to set the context properly - bear with me. Grin
I’m currently trying to decide whether to hold on to two friendships of about 12 years’ standing, or cut the ties for the sake of my MH, because I always come away from seeing them feeling crap about myself. This should probably be an easy one to call, but I suffer from a lot of self-doubt due to having been invalidated and gaslighted throughout my upbringing, which has tanked my self-esteem over the years - I’m 51 now - and unfortunately means that if people tell me I’m in the wrong I have a real struggle on my hands not to automatically accept it even if deep down I don’t agree.
Friend A: seems to genuinely care about me, but has a funny way of showing it. Is IMHO quite a moody person and prone to getting a ‘face’ on her. I try to discount it because I think it’s just how her face is a lot of the time, but she makes no effort to change her demeanour around others, which I find rude on occasions (e.g. sitting around with a face like a slapped arse at parties I’ve thrown, rather than either throwing herself into it or going home). Gets arsey if I try to discuss any problems I may be having (I try to limit this but, my life is difficult at the moment - caring for elderly parents who live with me and DH, my father has a life-limiting illness plus I have my own physical as well as MH issues, but I ‘ration’ how much I vent to friends about it so as not to be that friend who sucks all the energy and cheer out of a room - I’m not perfect, but I genuinely believe I’m nicer to my friends, and to others in general, than a lot of people are.) But friend A has a tendency to try to offer up ready-made solutions in a very ‘stern talking-to’ kind of way, then if I call her on being sharp with me I’m always the bad guy for ‘reading into it the wrong way’, gets in a huff, tells me I ‘obviously don’t know her after all these years’ if I don’t realise that her abrasive and aggressive manner of speaking is her way of showing how much she supposedly cares about her friends and ‘hates seeing them hurt’. Bit my head off and swore at me on our last get-together (for my actual BIRTHDAY) after a scenario arose like the one I’ve just described.
Bitches about friend B (see below) a lot, but goes frosty on me if I myself ever need to vent about B, who is a challenging person to have as a friend. Has bitched about me to B behind my back too on several occasions that I know of, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened just as often as she bitches about B to me. Bitchy and judgemental about other people too, and slags off any POV she doesn’t happen to agree with. It just feels such a school-playground and childish way for a woman in her fifties to be behaving.
Doesn’t seem to ‘get’ who I am as a person. Doesn’t get my sense of humour (not her or my fault, but it enters into my reckonings, as shared humour is a make-or-break kind of thing for me). Has a habit of saying ’that’s not you’ whenever I do or say something unexpected, seemingly oblivious to the fact that she doesn’t really know me at all, because I don’t allow her to, because her above mentioned snapping and sharpness make it difficult for me to trust her to open up. (I battle a lot of issues with anxiety and depression these days and am really not interested in ‘tough love’ from friends unless they actually have something new to say to me, otherwise I’d just as soon they try to be kind. I haven’t actually even told these two ‘friends’ about my MH issues, as they already twist everything around to be my fault, and this would just intensify that behaviour to the power of 1000,000 - everything I said and did would be twisted around to being linked to my MH in some way.)
Friend B (in her late 40s): well-meaning but has really poor social awareness/social skills in my experience - utterly tactless, considers herself about 1000 times more attractive and sophisticated than me (and, I suspect, than Friend A - funny thing that I’m the only one out of the three of them who is married) but can’t hold down a relationship for more than two or three dates, and has few friends, due to her social ineptitude. Obsessed with restaurants, as is friend A, it’s impossible to get together with them socially without one of them insisting on ‘a bite to eat’. I’ve mentioned I don’t much enjoy eating out and suggested we do other things from time to time, and they assume this is because I a) can’t afford it and/or b) am only interested in drinking. Neither of these things is actually true. Fact is, I struggle a lot with eating in front of other people because my asthma gives me atypical breathing patterns which can lead to my ‘inhaling’ food rathe than swallowing it, with the result that I eat very slowly, and am invariably the last person to finish eating, at which point everyone’s attention turns on me, which is really fabulous for my anxiety as you can imagine. (On a related note: friend B thinks that because I’m from the north of England I don’t know how to hold a fork and couldn’t possibly have known what a restaurant was until I met her - she used to ‘advise’ me on what to order every single time we ate out).
When friend B is challenged on something she’s said or done she’s never in the wrong… ‘What? I was only saying…’ ‘I was just being honest…’ etc.
Know for a FACT that she’s referred to myself and friend A behind our backs as her ‘square friends’ which is the world’s biggest laugh as she’s not exactly scintillating company herself. Pretty sure she sees me as her fat unsophisticated friend who she likes to feel superior to. Topics of conversation include her finances (in embarrassingly frank detail), the meals she’s cooked recently, her car, dates she’s been on and why they’ve gone wrong and why this is always the other person’s fault, things friends have done to piss her off and why this is never her fault either. Tends to hog the conversation to talk about herself, giving others little chance to participate. Spends a lot of time reading out texts people have sent her, off her phone, verbatim with zero condensation or abridgement.
Like friend A, friend B doesn’t seem to ‘get’ me at all. When called out on anything she’s said/done, tries to turn it back on me, apparently I’m ‘ultra sensitive at the moment’ or ‘lashing out’ if I ever dare to actually mind anything anyone says or does… then I get the sympathy/pity treatment… anything to avoid admitting to any wrongdoing on her own part!!
I’m someone who always tries to be agreeable around all my friends as far as possible and not bang on too much about my problems, but I’m starting to think I’ve gone too far with that as so many of my RL ‘friends’ always seem to treat me like this, it’s been that way most of my life, and it’s only now with my DH’s help that I’m starting to spot the pattern and rail against it somewhat. Unfortunately because of my depression and my upbringing, I tolerate crappy behaviour from friends for too long, I’m easily gaslighted, and by the time I actually get around to calling people out on stuff, it’s too late, they’ve got me fixed in their minds as some sort of meek and mild doormat and they turn nasty if I ever dare to step out of that role. More to the point, I always feel like some sort of bumbling idiot around these particular friends. They have this habit of looking blankly at me when I say things, like they think I’m completely on a different planet, in fact I’m convinced friend B thinks I’m not all there.
I’d just like to point out that this isn’t paranoia: everything I’ve said here has been based directly on things that have been said and done on multiple occasions over many years, enough for me to see a clear pattern. I’m very honest with myself about my mental health, and whether it makes me paranoid etc. It can make me challenging company, but I do what I can to minimise this, and I am 100% certain I’m not being paranoid about this, and I’m definitely not imagining the things I am describing.
I’ve kept this out of AIBU (and have NC, even though I very strongly doubt either of them is on MN) because the whole thing is sensitive and I don’t feel up to being pummelled with AIBU-ness, so to speak - but am I being unreasonable to say the friendships I’ve described above have toxic elements and would be better severed for the sake of my mental health? Looking at everything I’ve written above, it feels like a no-brainer, and I’ve already started distancing myself from them and focusing more on friends who are actually nice to me, but I need an objective view as I’ve had a lifetime of being invalidated and gaslighted and this makes it hard to trust my own judgement sometimes. If you’re still with me, thanks for reading this ‘essay’ and thoughts would be very much welcomed!

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tracybe · 16/08/2019 22:16

Hi there....so after reading your post there are a couple of things that come to mind. One is that having these people as friends when you have anxiety is going to be very triggering. I don't think you are being paranoid like you said,I think you have given some clear examples. There are a lot of things that you have mentioned that you find difficult in the friendship. I would think the part of you that is linked to your self worth,anxiety and previous trauma is that even though they are toxic you still hang on as you are frightened to offend,and almost believe that you are not worthy enough to cut these people out of your life. My mental health issues do make me hyper aware and very sensitive and I certainly don't react very well to "tough love". Do they live near by? Would you have to see them about if you cut them off?...coming from a similar situation as you and friendships- cut them off. Your mental health is vital and you cannot heal in this environment..really think about what they bring to the friendship,or so they just drain you and have a negative impact on your mental health? Believe me....this will be there loss not yours...be brave..be strong and put yourself first for once,you are allowed to do this ❤️

TheGigglingGazelle · 17/08/2019 16:21

Thank you for reading and replying @tracybe :-) I think you're right, and 'triggering' is exactly the way I feel around these particular friends. I do have a tendency to need my feelings validated, almost like seeking 'permission' to feel the way I do, one of the many many things I'm working on. I've already sort of started to 'mothball' the friendships, so to speak, and they seem to be following suit, so maybe they are feeling the friendships have passed their sell-by date too. That's their prerogative, but I think it also says something about them as 'friends'. I just can't seem to suppress this urge to not just let it lie, but to let them know what I think of their behaviour and how/why it's hurt me, which I know would be an instant friendship-ender but at least I'd have closure. I haven't decided yet, but it's good to hear someone else's take on the friendships, and that I'm not imagining things when I see toxic elements in all of this. I'm so used to being told everything's all in my head all the time, but it categorically isn't - I'm by no means perfect, but neither are they.

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DtPeabodysLoosePants · 17/08/2019 17:06

I got a bit further than the they make me feel like crap. Get rid. Friends make you feel happier and these two are not doing your mental health any good. My own MH is so much better for getting rid of the toxic people in my life. You need supportive people around you Thanks

TheGigglingGazelle · 17/08/2019 23:01

Thanks @DtPeabodysLoosePants (intriguing username! lol) - I know, it's what I've been saying to myself ever since this whole thing kicked off. I'm just so conditioned into believing disagreements are always my fault that I've probably way overthought the whole thing. I've felt bad about myself around them for most of the duration of the 'friendships' tbh, which is crazy and I'm not really sure why I've carried on with them this long.

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Miss1973HulaHoopChampion · 18/08/2019 09:26

Nothing is more important than your mental health x

Iamenough · 18/08/2019 10:01

Hi there, I am going through a similar situation myself. Have friendships over 20 years+. Have come to a realisation that I am mainly the 'invitor' I make so much effort but stopped last few months and I don't hear from any of these friends.

Disappointed!! Friendships are just going to fizzle out... but...

Here's an interesting question: 'If you were to meet these friends for the 1st time tomorrow, would you stay in touch? Can you see friendships going for next 10years? Can you see yourself being friends?

You sound like a lovely lady and hope someone will value you being you x

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 18/08/2019 10:21

It took me until I was pregnant with ds at the age of 38 to start saying fuck you to toxic people. My upbringing has a lot to answer for in terms of what I consideted normal, my fault, I'm over sensitive, too needy, too demanding etc. It's taken 5 years since that beginning to really get to grips with myself and cut people out who were doing me no favours in terms of either friendships or my mental health. I have a very low tolerance now for toxic people. It's better to be alone for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones. My mum worries I'm lonely but there's nothing lonelier than being in s one sided friendship or relationship or feeling that you are always wrong in some way. My MH has improved so much since I started saying no and walking away. I've found it liberating and I'm teaching my children the same boundaries. I was brought up as a doormat with no boundaries. I am no longer that person but that inner voice is hard to overcome at times.

dazednotconfused · 20/08/2019 20:15

I don't think you're being unreasonable to ditch these friends. You have great awareness about what's going on. I've ditched my 'best friend ' because she patronised me a lot and brought up stuff from my younger drunker days. I do think some people like to have mates that they look down on to make themselves feel better! It sounds like this was happening to you too. I majorly distanced myself but it took effort, she was very slow at taking the hint. Even now, she'll try occasionally to initiate a chat with me. She's still patronising even from afar now as I had a shared friend contact me saying my old friend and her had been talking about me and hoped I was ok. It's frustrating but I have no control over their opinions. What I do control is choosing to not speak to them or socialise with them and that feels real good.

I had another friend who put herself on a pedestal and me down. I confronted her as valued the friendship but she totally gaslit me. That friendship ended abruptly. I was real glad in a way bc I didn't have to put up with her superficial nonsense anymore. But consequently found out on the grapevine that she's been slagging me off to make herself look better.

I think my problem has been my weak boundaries. So now I'm learning to be a bit better at that. It's hard though. I've a new friend who is really keen (me not so much as I find her too intense/inquisitive/nosey), so I let her know in a round about way that I was disappointed when she blew out on me (2 times now). She's not happy about it. But better to weed them out right at the start than compromise on the basics.

Just for the record, I'm very happily married and my best friend is my husband. I have a couple of good lovely friends too.

Good luck with your decision to ditch and sock it to them (be careful of gossip backlash) or just ditch!! I can see you being much happier already!

TheGigglingGazelle · 21/08/2019 02:22

Thanks peeps... I'll reply properly tomorrow when I'm less knackered, lol but just wanted to say thanks, it does help to get some perspectives on this and hear other people's experiences. :-)

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