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Advice needed: DP’s crippling self hatred

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ChickpeaKat · 13/01/2019 10:01

Hi folks

I posted this in the “relationships” thread essentially but all responses were “leave the bastard” which I understand and accept to an extent but I’d be keen to get a view from some people with a more sympathetic lense toward mental health issues!

I’ll try to summarise...

My DP has always been a bit shy, lacking confidence and believed he wasn’t good enough. Came from a wealthy, overachieving family who largely base “success” on money, promotions and material things. He went to a private school where he felt very out of place in an “alpha male” environment.

We met at uni and I was immediately attracted to his looks and witty sense of humour. He was also very caring and considerate and when he asked me out it was a no brainer. It was immediately obvious to me he was very shy but this was ok, I didn’t really mind. I found out I was the only girl he’d ever asked out which surprised me, and that he’d had sex with “only” 3 people, which to me wasn’t a reflection on his looks or attractiveness, just his lack of confidence in hitting on girls growing up.

Fast forward to 2.5 years ago (together 4 years at this point), we’re both lawyers in high pressured jobs and we own a flat together. A colleague of his commits suicide and DP goes through a period of intense stress at work. He falls into a deep depression. It gets so bad that he attempts suicide and ends up in A&E on a number of occasions, saying it would be better if he’d never been born and that he’s worthless and the world would be a better place without him.

During this spell an attractive female colleague hit on him at the office party. He kissed her and was upfront with me about it afterwards. Given his worrying state of mind and the fact he was so low he was actually a danger to himself at this point, I moved on from the kiss pretty quickly and put caring for him at the forefront of my mind. This girl also said some things to him after the event which he took to mean he was “repulsive”, for example when he tried to speak with her because things were awkward in the office she said “You and me could never get together” further fuelling his belief he isn’t good enough (despite her hitting on him in the first place which he seems to ignore..)

He saw a psychiatrist and got put on meds (150mg sertraline and 0.5mg risperidone). He took the meds for 12 months and largely improved in that time, and came off them last summer (of his own accord).

Since then he’s been up and down, largely better, but recently he’s back to talking every single day again about how he’s not good enough, how he’s so ugly and unattractive to women, how he’s a failure and how no women even looked at him growing up.

Now I know it is utterly ridiculous for a girlfriend of 6.5 years to be reassuring her DP about other women, especially when he cheated with someone who does modelling on the side, but he seems to have this ridiculous engrained sense of self hatred that he backs up with the “evidence” that girls didn’t hit on him growing up and he only slept with 3 people.

He doesn’t understand the way society works, that girls expect men to hit on them and if you’re a shy man with no confidence obviously that’s going to be hard. He thinks there are men out there who have girls “falling” all over them - which I just don’t think is true!! His lack of confidence has caused all his problems from day 1!

Things are not awful all the time and we still have a lot of fun together. It is just a daily conversation now we are having where I have to reassure him constantly and he doesn’t believe me or listen to me. He wants “definitive proof” that he’s attractive or he won’t believe me... what does that even mean?! Last night I told him I can’t keep reassuring him every day of his life or be responsible for his mental health and he hasn’t said a word to me since, just in bed with the door shut, he even punched himself really hard in the face last night.

So basically... HELP!! What do I do?! He’s starting a new course of therapy on Wednesday and part of me is tempted to see how this goes and if it doesn’t work, I don’t see what other options I have. I’m 28, we’ve been together over 6 years so a large portion of my 20s. DP is not currently the man I started going out with, but he is also ill and so messed up in the head! I feel in a total mess, somewhere between loving him and worrying for him all the time, and wishing I was just with a man who had an ounce of confidence in himself (not cocky, just a quiet sense of self belief would do me fine!). Any advice?

OP posts:
FissionChips · 13/01/2019 11:04

He sounds like a self absorbed wanker.

You are young, don’t waste your time on him.

His MH problems are his to sort out.

FissionChips · 13/01/2019 11:08

Besides, what MH problems makes a person seek constant reassurance from their partner that they are attractive to other people?! That’s fucked up. He knows he’s not unattractive, of course he does, he’s managed to have a few women.

I’m not attractive, but I have a DH who loves me, so why would I care about other men?

Twillow · 13/01/2019 11:20

I'm so sorry. His ife sounds very painful for him.
BUT.
I wasted 25 years with a similar man, who could be loving, clever and funny. He also had deep down problems with self-esteem which caused very negative behaviour including frequent threats to die.
I thought I could help him. I tried to support him.
It was up and down in many ways but over the years I lost faith in him due to the awful things he did when dowwn, our relationship got worse and eventually I had to leave. My own self-confidence in tatters.
I feared he would do the worst after that.
No, although he now has a new source for all his woes of course.
He can only help himself and only when he is ready.
I would tentatively suggest trial separation. If you really feel you must stick with him LIVE YOUR LIFE, don't put things off and tiptoe around his feelings all the time.

ChickpeaKat · 13/01/2019 11:33

@Twillow thanks for this it is good to hear from someone who has experienced similar. Did your ex try getting professional help or was he reluctant? My DP has a therapy appointment on Wed but just today told me to cancel it because “he’s not ill he’s just “ugly”” ... of course ... he’s not ugly but also should every ugly person out there just go and jump off a cliff?! tears hair out

How did you find the separation when you went through with it eventually? We have mutual friends, a jointly owned property, work in the same circles and a cat that we both love to bits.. thankfully no kids yet to complicate things further!! Feel totally unsure what to do next. Do I give him a chance with this therapy?!

OP posts:
jamaisjedors · 13/01/2019 11:36

If you really want to give it a go then maybe couple's therapy to talk this through together with a professional.

But to be honest in your situation I would make steps to move on.

You can't fix this for him, and he needs to realise how hard it is for you and take bigger steps to sort it out.

PatriciaHolm · 13/01/2019 11:42

As a PP said- you can't fix this for him.

He's voluntarily come off his meds, and won't seek other help.

He needs to sort this by taking steps to get himself help, he's not a project you can take on and sort out. You need to step back and see if he actually does so. Personally - i would move out, live your life. If he sorts himself out great, if he doesn't at least he won't be dragging you down with him.

tinydancer88 · 13/01/2019 11:48

In the fairly recent past I had experience of a mental health condition which caused intrusive thoughts (for example I would continuously worry I had caused a terrible car accident and forgotten about it). I can to some extent empathise with your partner, because it was horrible to think these things and I couldn't help them popping into my head, but it was not fair or reasonable for me to demand reassurance constantly from my loved ones. I had to find other ways to manage those thoughts and work to reduce them over time.

I appreciate that your partner sounds very ill, and that these incidences of self harm and attempted suicide are extremely distressing for all concerned, but that does not mean that his mental health needs to control your life too. It sounds like he responded well to medication previously, would this be an option again? I think it's perfectly fair for you to say that in order to support him you need him to engage with this new course of therapy, and you are not going to continually reassure him on the same topic, day in day out, because it isn't helping him.

FinallyHere · 13/01/2019 12:35

So basically... HELP!! What do I do?!

Run, and thank your lucky stars that you do not have children together.

I know this sounds harsh, I am entirely sympathetic to your position: i had a relationship in my late teens/early twenties which seems eerily similar. At the time, I felt the responsibility to get him sorted before i could do anything with my life, felt it very keenly. I really don't know what changed, but one day i heard the 'latest in the saga' and just laughed and laughed at myself and the absurd situation i had got myself into. The spell was broken and i have since learned not to take on other people's responsibilities and to give my help to more deserving causes.

Honestly, get out. He will be better without you, you deserve much, much better. Sooner the better.

Oh, and having read the other responses, yes, our mutual friends were happy thatI had woken up to his nonsense. As a human by all means be kind, but your first responsibility is to yourself. Enjoy your life, do let him drag you down, he will honestly be no worse off without you.

MitziK · 13/01/2019 17:21

Sounds like it's a precursor to him nobbing anything that moves with the justification that you didn't make him feel attractive enough.

Time to bail out.

AutumnCrow · 13/01/2019 17:29

You are projecting, and he's an absolute waste of your efforts.

Separate, and get yourself some space and some talking therapy / friends.

Apricotjamsndwich · 14/01/2019 15:33

He is self absorbed but probably because he's ill. Sounds like body dysmorphia to me. See how things go with the new therapy, try some joint therapy maybe but ultimately you can't spend your life like this.

GourmetGold · 15/01/2019 10:59

Think some posters are being quite harsh! If it was about a woman saying she thought she was ugly, would they also say she was self absorbed, 'LTB' etc??
I think men are expected to be 'strong' more than women, and showing insecurities is more unacceptable for them.
OP I would say it sounds like depression..one of the questions on an official check list for depression diagnosis, that I use, is ' do you feel unattractive?'
You are right OP that it sounds like your partner comes from a family obsessed with 'perfection' who judge themselves & others 'worth' by status & wealth (& no doubt looks!), so he will be judging himself all the time.
With depression you judge yourself very harshly, seeing everything in negative light.
Unfortunately it can make people appear very selfish & self absorbed, but it's not done deliberately to hurt others.
You say he is going for therapy again..do you know what type?
As someone who has suffered with depression & very negative self image, I'd recommend CBT therapy.
In the meantime you could get him this book:
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0380810336/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_DSBpCbA960CRA?tag=mumsnetforum-21

I can't recommend it highly enough!! I've got better solely using this author's books.
He also has a website & many YouTube videos, this one is good:

FissionChips · 15/01/2019 17:38

If it was about a woman saying she thought she was ugly, would they also say she was self absorbed, 'LTB' etc??

The op’s partner isn’t worried he’s not attractive, he’s worried he’s not attractive enough for other women to fancy him. He’ll properly end up sleeping with another woman and claiming it’s because he felt so repulsive.

So yes, I’d absolutely say the same if the op’s partner was female.

Twillow · 15/01/2019 22:18

Hw cancelled his appointment....arghhhh!
Well, with regards to therapy - after I walked out one time, I came back because he said he would go to couples counselling with me. After some sessions, the counsellor thought it wasn't a couple's issue and recommended he see a different therapist for his own issues. Unfortunately, it then became a bit twisted, as he seemed to use this therapist to bolster his arguments and reinforce his behaviour. Ultimately we did separate and were not able to 'remain friends' as we were no longer friends at that point I suppose. I still feel sad that there were undoubtably some good times and he is deep down a good person, but the 'demons' for lack of a better word wrecked our relationship, and definitely caused our children a great deal of pain and suffering which they are still dealing with.
I do understand it's not easy either way.
I would say to anyone starting out a new relationship, DON'T make the mistake of thinking you can change someone, even with the best of intentions. If issues come up in the early days which you are uncertain you can live with, count yourself lucky that you have a choice at that point. Because you might find yourself tied down and having to live with those issues, gradually losing your love until you despise that person.

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