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Intrusive Thoughts

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SuzieAndBess · 28/12/2018 22:43

I’m currently obsessed with the fact social services will take my baby.

We are both healthy and live in a nice home with my parents. I am a teacher and intend on returning to work.
My sister reassures me there is nothing to worry about but I am constantly scared I will be reported for something and they will take her.

I think this stems from a hospital visit when she was 19 days old but I can’t shake the fear she will not be taken.
Has anyone else experienced similar.

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JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 29/12/2018 23:29

I have different intrusive thoughts.

What happened during the hospital visit?

SuzieAndBess · 29/12/2018 23:52

She fell out her bouncer and the doctor told me he had to alert social services as protocol. I never heard anything else from them.
Today I was walking the dog and became convinced I’d get hit by s car.

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Oddsocksforeveryone · 30/12/2018 00:04

Yes, Ive had intrusive thoughts with all 4 of my children. Ranging from the fear they will be taken (by SS/person I know/stranger) to them being dropped into/from things, imagining and visualising all kinds of terrible scenarios.
I find it helpful in the moment to acknowledge the thought and say to myself: that is my fear, not my reality.
It doesn't stop the thoughts but makes them easier for me to deal with.
I hope you are ok x

domesticslattern · 30/12/2018 00:24

Yes, plenty of mumsnetters report intrusive thoughts when they have new babies. Often it is about fear of accidentally hurting the baby or being a bad mother. I think a lot of it is down to lack of sleep tbh, it does funny things to you. However, sometimes it can be a sign that you should have a chat with your HV or GP, for example if the intrusive thoughts are really taking over your life, or if you are feeling really down or, conversely, really manic. For me it was one of the symptoms of PND.
At the moment it sounds like you have insight and know that the thoughts aren't really correct. Many many hospital visits lead to SS alerts and literally nothing comes of it, and even if it does it would just be a visit. Your sister is right. So I would really concentrate on getting sleep, fresh air and lots of support with your baby. And keep an eye out if your mental health is declining and get support quickly. Flowers
I also want to recommend a book called What Mothers Do by Naomi Stadlen, which I found incredibly comforting. It is about the mental experience of becoming a mum, I am pretty sure there is a bit in there about strange and unwanted thoughts.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 30/12/2018 22:08

Just to say slattern speaks much sense!

anitagreen · 30/12/2018 22:18

I have them all the time it started after my children was born I was scared that social services would take them, then it was a phobia about being stuck by lightning when I was out, then it was a phobia I'd get schizophrenia, now because I read a sad story about a girl killing herself it's that I constantly have to reassure myself I want to be alive it's really really draining and annoying. I start to get myself down and worry that it means it's true or that it'll happen I know it's irrataional but if I'm wound up I'll get intrusive thoughts like what if you do that to? What if you kill your self ? Or if I'm laughing with someone I'll get one pop up like what would happen if I died? It's horrible but 98% of people get intrusive thoughts. They are just thoughts that's it and they do come and go various themes etc, mindfulness does help me x

SuzieAndBess · 30/12/2018 22:36

Thank you everyone I have had extensive therapy for anxiety unfortunately it was under a different NHS trust.
Thanks you so much for your well worded and helpful response Slattery

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SuzieAndBess · 30/12/2018 22:36

*Slattern

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TheSheepofWallSt · 30/12/2018 22:46

I’ve posted this before and some users found it reassuring- hopefully it helps you....

I suffer from anxiety which manifests as pure O OCD- and particularly intrusive thoughts. I won’t list them because I don’t want to trigger anyone- but please know that it’s totally normal, and can be (in my case is) linked to PTSD.

OP- I completely understand your fear re: social services... it’s not exactly the same, but before starting therapy, one of my obsessions was that I had undiagnosed postpartum psychosis- how’s that for a meta-fear?! But questioning my sanity was (and occasionally remains) a feature of the illness for me.

I live a very normal life most of the time (even occasional bad patches I can still function and appear totally normal- I’m just internally in bits sadly)- I liken it to there being a radio playing and a song coming on I don’t want to hear- that’s what the chatter in my mind is like - sometimes the thoughts that flit through my mind are unpleasant and not what I want to - or even really think. Often they’re thoughts that frighten or disgust me. But they aren’t mine - they’re fragments left over from past trauma, that I find it hard to ignore- especially since having my son. But they’re very common, and in no way indicative of reality, or the person who is suffering from them.

If they trouble you, I recommend finding a psychotherapist and digging deeper- if they aren’t affecting your life- perhaps try visualise/ just accept them as “driftwood” on the ocean of your mind, and let them be.

TheSheepofWallSt · 30/12/2018 22:47

Also OP there’s a book called something like “Dropping the Baby and Other Intrusive Thoughts”- if you can’t afford it access therapy quickly, you can get it on amazon (including kindle) and I found it really helpful whilst looking for a therapist.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 30/12/2018 23:53

Sheep of W St

Could I ask, just because you sound like you know what you are talking about? What if the intrusive thoughts are less like driftwood and more like rabbit holes that the mind disappears down? I feel like I have to be careful not to stray too far from the surface isywim!
Sorry to hijack OP.

KarBB · 31/12/2018 09:52

I hate intrusive thoughts - mine are always about doing something inappropriate and dangerous - eg jumping down a stairwell, opening the door while driving on the motorway, loved ones dying grizzly deaths etc.... I detest them but with ADs & CBT they are much less frequent and I experience them as quick flashes which pass. Previously I would get sucked into a vicious downward cycle which usually finished with floods of tears or a horrific panic attack. I understand that it's 'normal' to have them but less so to dwell on them & get distressed IYSWIM so may be worth trying to get some help.

KarBB · 31/12/2018 09:54

Just seen that previous poster didn't list theirs so as not to trigger. Hope I don't upset anyone - I hope that realising that others have similar thoughts will offer solace to some xx

TheSheepofWallSt · 31/12/2018 10:30

Hey @JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff

I think that your “rabbit holes” are my “thought spirals”- you get sucked into darker and darker places....

In a broader sense, and on a day to day basis this is something I relate to.

I wonder if this will help...

For me, my intrusive thoughts began as passive (ie something bad would happen that I couldn’t control) and as I got more unwell, I began to worry/ obsess that I would actively do something bad i.e. lose control and commit an act of harm.

I started therapy, and at first the intrusive thoughts - both active and passive- subsided dramatically. I understood that the intrusive Thoughts were a psychological mechanism to keep me “alert” and “on guard” for danger (I was always in danger from a stepparent as a child- often blindsided by violence - it would come out of nowhere- so I learned never to relax). In my experience - parents can be dangerous- or they stand back and let bad things happen- hence my own obsessions- effectively “will I be like them”.

Once i knew this, I understood I was traumatised, I was a wonderful
Mother, and this was my maternal instinct in overdrive- my way of keeping my baby safe- imagining dangers/ trying to predict dangers amped up to the extreme, so I was never “blindsided again”.
The thoughts were still there, but I was able to laugh at them, mostly, as nonsense- things that would never happen, and just stuff I was making up to “keep alert”.

Then, after a short break, they came back (I think triggered by separating from my partner)- but the nature of them changed. they were more disturbing, more deviant, more “arresting”- they stopped me in my tracks and made me feel physically unwell. They were so dark I could barely talk to my therapist about them.

Work with my therapist brought me to realise that the reason for this was that the “old style” thoughts simply had no power anymore. I could think and dismiss them easily.

The traumatised part of me though, was still in that constant “alert mode” and so determined to elicit a “fear response” from the rest of me, that the thoughts became correspondingly darker, to get a “reaction”.

Does this resonate with you- the idea that it’s almost a relief when you “let yourself” think the darkest, worst thing- and then melt down? That’s certainly how I felt sometimes.

For me, the answer has been to recognise this pattern, and to remember that the “thoughts” do not become more real, or more representative of you, the further down the “rabbit hole” you get- the content of the thoughts is just as “unreal” and “not you” if it’s imagining eating a 1000kg chocolate cake naked, or witnessing/committing an extreme act of violence against a loved one.

No matter where you are in the rabbit warren- what you find in there is not important- it’s why you’re there that you need to address.

Does that make sense? I’m not a therapist btw- this is one sufferer to another, in good faith and with best intentions.

anitagreen · 31/12/2018 10:39

Sorry also if mine triggered you I didn't think at all when I posted sorry x

SuzieAndBess · 31/12/2018 14:21

Thank you everyone :-) looks like I’ve got some reading to do! Today has been much better. We’ve been swimming which I thought would give me major issues but all went well. I’m also taking my medication properly.

Thank you for all sharing your stories.

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JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 31/12/2018 19:55

Great OP Smile

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 31/12/2018 20:00

Oops also to say thanks to Sheep. That is interesting! Yes that chimes. At my worst, in late pregnancy, I would actively seek time to give way to the thoughts such as getting up at 3am to walk through the streets alone and just think horrible things until I was in tears or sometimes "screaming under my breath" if that makes sense.

I am still pissed off that no one involved in my antenatal care realised what a state I was in.

Anyhow will stop making this all about me. What you posted is really interesting, though, Sheep!

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